Griefing from an org you affiliate with? Drop the org or get banned from TEST.

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Montoya

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We had a little incident that happened twice over the past two weeks.

It's really nothing major, but this is a good opportunity to lay down the process by which I will be dealing with this.

TEST is an open and welcoming org. You do not need to be a main member and you can affiliate with as many other orgs as you wish.

We all knew from the start that this kind of policy might get tricky when the game starts to get busy. The potential problem arises when you are a main or affiliate with a different org, and are enjoying your time flying around with TEST in an op we are running. What happens when we come across members of your org and start shooting them, or they start shooting at us?

TEST is going to be heavy into PvP in the late game, fighting over territory and resources is going to be a major part of what we do.

It is inevitable that many conflicts will arise with orgs some of you may affiliate or main with.

This is as good a time as any to start laying down the process by which we deal with these situations.

In this particular case, during rally practice two weeks ago, TESTies were having fun playing around when unknown bogey handle Locint flew in and started shooting vehicles. This is fine, we all enjoy shooting things and blowing things up. Possibly just some random.

However, a week later this same individual dropped into another TEST event and did the same thing.

During a recent flight combat training he showed up again and started shooting at novice members in the middle of a lesson.

To be clear, we do not expect complete privacy in publicly held events, but this particular individual was joining up on people in his friends list who happened to be TEST main members.

Here is his org list courtesy of @Knax



@seriousseriouspunch
@MonsterNeal
Steelshank
Fennsasha
@Jadedwolf
@Vouch

You all have 24hrs to drop affiliation with this org and remove all its members from your friendslist, or get ejected from TEST.
 
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I have read the post, but I need to address a few things. I was not in CFT training yesterday, I wasn't able to join the group. Second, we were doing simulations for CFT last week when Locint attacked, but I was under the impression it was a simulation that we had "All" agreed upon for testing/training purposes. Locint was not there to grief TEST members. I fly the TEST SQUADRON banner proudly!! I have only been in TEST for a little less than a year, I myself do not know any other org.'s TEST feuds with. But as I have stated I am TEST SQUADRON, FIRST & FOREMOST!! Please Montoya & officers, please reconsider. Or can we have a discussion in Discord to put us on the same page. o7 & Thank you
 
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Yeah sounds like griefing to me, Locint doesn't just play that much at the same place and time as our guys. It's just too coincidental.

This could be a good time for escort training for people who wish to protect convoys or do protection in the game, keep the training field safe from these griefers.
 

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I fly the TEST SQUADRON banner proudly!! I have only been in TEST for a little less than a year, I myself do not know any other org.'s TEST feuds with.
We dont feud with anyone. There is no game to be feuding in yet.

My point is if you are an affiliate with an org that we have any kind of conflict with, that creates a problem.

There will be no meetings, no negotiations.

I nor the staff have the time or the interest to have long boring discussions about it.

If somebody in an org you affiliate with does something we do not like, every single TEST member in that org either gets booted out of TEST, or leave.

I do understand that there will be blue on blue issues, it happens, but that is when we have alliances set up. We are not there yet.
 
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We dont feud with anyone. There is no game to be feuding in yet.

My point is if you are an affiliate with an org that we have any kind of conflict with, that creates a problem.

There will be no meetings, no discussions, no negotiations.

I nor the staff have the time or the interest to have long boring discussions about it.

If somebody in an org you affiliate with does something we do not like, every single TEST member in that org either gets booted out of TEST, or leave.

I do understand that there will be blue on blue issues, it happens, but that is when we have alliances set up. We are not there yet.



Point taken. I understand the rules. I have left RAC. o7
 

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How would it work if Locint was thrown out of that Org specifically because of this , maybe that is an acceptable solution?

What would occur if he joins another org tomorrow that I am an affiliate of, will I have to leave that Org?
This is why you leave all other Orgs and accept TEST as your one true savior.
 
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How would it work if Locint was thrown out of that Org specifically because of this , maybe that is an acceptable solution?

What would occur if he joins another org tomorrow that I am an affiliate of, will I have to leave that Org?
Good question actually

Enlighten us oh mighty one! @Montoya
 

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What would occur if he joins another org tomorrow that I am an affiliate of, will I have to leave that Org?
DAMMMMMmmmmm could Locint screw things up for us if he joined Test! :P
...ummmm seriously... if this guy is friends with Testies, why is Test not "assimilating" him?
 

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What would occur if he joins another org tomorrow that I am an affiliate of, will I have to leave that Org?
As I said, we will eventually have alliances, so if you are in an org we are allied with, its fine, we will tolerate some blue on blue because we can contact that other other leader and pass on the concerns.

This issue here is that the actual org leader was the one doing this, so there is not much to talk about.
 

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hm the 24h thing seems a bit harsh or is there a reason for that (other upcoming training sessions)?

Will we try to deal with such issues by forming a lot of alliances once the game is out? Since we allow piracy it might lead to a lot of back and force. Or would it be a non-issue if the player is not the leader?
 

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hm the 24h thing seems a bit harsh or is there a reason for that (other upcoming training sessions)?

Will we try to deal with such issues by forming a lot of alliances once the game is out? Since we allow piracy it might lead to a lot of back and force. Or would it be a non-issue if the player is not the leader?
This wasnt merely an act of piracy.... this was calculated griefing.
 

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Will we try to deal with such issues by forming a lot of alliances once the game is out?
There will be alliances made, either official or unofficial.

This case was special because it was the actual org leader doing it.

I know we can't expect every member of every org to abide by alliance rules, but when the actual org leader is responsible, that is different.
 
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