Im not usually a tinfoil hat conspiracy guy, but Epstein did not commit suicide!

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The guy was on suicide watch, which as far as I know is not supposed to mean the guards watch you commit suicide.

The cell has 9ft ceiling with no light fixture. Bed sheets are paper quality and can not hold your weight. Everything in there is designed to prevent a suicide.

There is tape. It was most likely deleted, but there must be back ups.

And Griffin sent me a picture of the guard that was on duty at the time.

 

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Arkancide.

Seriously, though, when we put people on suicide watch, they get a padded robe, a padded blanket and a mat. Period. Also, we have CCTV monitoring them 24/7 and at any time, there are probably 2-8 people watching that camera. There is no way to make a noose out of a padded pickle suit or the blanket, too thick and not big enough. What goes on in New York City, I have no idea.

You never know how someone's emotional state can fluctuate in confinement, however, people worth billions of dollars don't usually stay locked up and if they do, they have an army with dollar signs in their eyes at their beck and call...
 

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My personal tin foil theory is that the suicide was faked to slip him into witness protection until the rest of the DoJ's investigations surrounding him as well as those that were part of his secret illegal activities have been concluded. Then they will haul him into court to testify against the various high profile names to seal their fates as well.
 
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Guards left because maintenance needed to be done... isn't that even more of a reason to have someone watching? Someone enters with a toolbox with tools, box cutters etc. I have a friend that does contract jobs with prisons and they are always being watched even if they are plunging the wardens toilet. Someone is always present to prevent any incidents
 

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The guy was on suicide watch, which as far as I know is not supposed to mean the guards watch you commit suicide.

The cell has 9ft ceiling with no light fixture. Bed sheets are paper quality and can not hold your weight. Everything in there is designed to prevent a suicide.
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But...he wasn't on a suicide watch....I know, sorry, we aren't supposed to bring up facts here!

Also, everybody knows, you hang yourself on the door knob...seriously! It's pretty eerie...
 

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As @Radegast74 pointed out, he was no longer on suicide watch as the 'investigation' into his previous 'suicide attempt' was deemed an assault by his previous cellmate, that found him unconscious, called the guards for help, rendered aid, and all evidence indicated they'd become friends.
His new cellmate was moved out of the room a couple hours before whatever happened this time for as yet undisclosed reasons.
The whole thing is weird and demonstrates a clear lack of professionalism and adherence to protocol at that prison.
No matter what the truth is I doubt anything other than some guards getting written up or fired and the warden forced to resign so the 'culture can be fixed' will come of it.
 

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But...he wasn't on a suicide watch
Ok, fair enough, if that is the accurate info, he was not on suicide watch anymore.

Is that not even more strange?

A guy who has dirt on Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew and others is taken off suicide watch... and commits suicide.

A guard was supposed to make the rounds every 30min. No guard made the rounds for several hours. They blame staff shortages.

All very convenient.
 

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this is going to get more interesting, trump ended his supposed friendship with him after the mar a logo incident. And was key to the prosecution in that case that found him guilty. trump even banned him for life from any trump properties. Now back the this suicide issue. Supposedly there is a "black book" that exist that has a lot of information on Epstein's "friends". this supposed book was sealed in the previous trial where Epstein only got 13 month's for sex trafficking. (something isn't right there, which makes me think this was a lot more high profile than we think) Any bets to this supposed book being missing now that Epstein is dead? Also its interesting that the New York City medical examiner's office has to get more information before they can release any report on the cause of death ( these people know more ways people die than we can comprehend) yet they now need more information. this all isn't adding up well. My theory is that this case is going to just get shuffled into an oubliette, eventually never to be seen again. there are just too many high profile people involved to let it go public. Even a then president Clinton is confirmed to have been on Epstein's plane over 20 times according the the flight logs that fox news obtained, a few of those without a security detail. In my opinion, i think he was silenced.
 

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As @Radegast74 pointed out, he was no longer on suicide watch ....
The whole thing is weird and demonstrates a clear lack of professionalism and adherence to protocol at that prison.
No matter what the truth is I doubt anything other than some guards getting written up or fired and the warden forced to resign so the 'culture can be fixed' will come of it.
Ok, fair enough, if that is the accurate info, he was not on suicide watch anymore.

Is that not even more strange?

A guy who has dirt on Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew and others is taken off suicide watch... and commits suicide.

A guard was supposed to make the rounds every 30min. No guard made the rounds for several hours. They blame staff shortages.

All very convenient.
The Bureau of Prisons has been undefrunded for over a decade, ever since the re-org after 9/11.

The latest news is that, of the two guards, one had worked 5 overtimes *that week* and the other was on a mandatory overtime...and wasn't even a real guard, but was an ancillary staff who was mandated into the position.

If you run a jail, prison, or hospital, you know you are on your way downhill when staffing is that bad.
 
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