Can we talk about the fact that CIG is pedling a useless hardware to its player base

supitza · Oct 28, 2017

It might not be the best product on the market, but it paid for the convention. CR never said we need to buy this or else.
This aside, I'm very happy that Intel took an interest in Star Citizen.

AntiSqueaker · Oct 28, 2017

GrumpyCat said:
I dunno, its just that CIG has always gone for the best and pushing the limits, and now we are settling and doing exclusives? It just irked me.

To be fair, CIG teamed up with AMD for the Mustang Omega that was paired with R7 and R9 series cards a few years back.

I think it's a bit of a mistake to not sell the ship standalone for various reasons, but that's probably some exclusivity thing that both parties agree to.

Also lol at 2 month insurance on the Sabre Raven and Mustang Omega.

supitza · Oct 28, 2017

GrumpyCat said:
CIG has always gone for the best

They've had hiccups; remember Mad Catz / Saitek?
It's understandable, though. They're a company developing a product, and they need partners. I'm sure CIG's relationship with Intel will prove to be beneficial to the development of Star Citizen.

Takeiteasy · Oct 28, 2017

It's just good business.

It's just good business.

*ship explodes as I walk down the stairs with shrapnel and wood flying past me totally not harming me*

Printimus · Oct 28, 2017

Why are we upset that CIG is partnering with tech giants?

Toihva · Oct 29, 2017

One thing about Optane, is its still new and such. Also, just like some tech, can't just look at some particular stat and say "eh, this does it as well."

Anandtech has a good review of it and the conclusion is pertinent.

It's strength lies in it's queing:

The low queue depth random read performance of the Optane SSD is several times faster than any flash-based SSD has attained. Mixed workloads that include a substantial component of random read operations also perform quite well, and throwing some write operations into a stream of reads barely impacts the read performance.

If you have a NVMe drive not gonna see much performance increase.
SATA SSD and HDD will see performance increase.

Nicotine · Oct 29, 2017

Hi GrumpyCat.

I nearly spill my tea when I read your post. I recognized your name from my old guild "Tactical Advanced" so I did a little digging to see if you might be the same person. It seems you joined Test on the 17 Dec 2014. Then exactly a year later joined Tactical Advanced on the 17 Dec 2015. So same name and same date with exactly a year apart is pretty good circumstantial evidence.

So assuming you are the same person why did I nearly spill my tea? Well I remembered a post someone put up about black concierge cards. I replied that had bought 2, then you replied you had bought 7!

As you could only buy one per account that meant you had to have 7 concierge accounts active. Surely someone of the means to buy enough virtual jpeg space ships to get at least $7000 worth of star citizen credit should not be worrying too much about how other people spend their money?

PS I hope you have had a good chat with our leader about what happened in tactical advance around Feb this year. I know you were right in the middle of the chaos from the post you put up on their forums and I am sure it would make a good video for our glorious leader.

Nicotine · Oct 29, 2017

Fair enough you only have 1 concierge account but you have a Javelin on it like me so thats still $7000 lol.

Sorry for winding you up i've had a long day at work. Have a good night GrumpyCat.

DirectorGunner · Oct 29, 2017

What's the endurance capacity? if it's substantially higher that would make sense BUT considering warranty is only 5 year.. I won't give my hopes up.. yea it's a bad deal... for hardware. I just want the damn ship lol.

Talonsbane · Oct 29, 2017

I hope that I may be forgiven if I offend anybody with this posting. It is my opinion that @GrumpyCat was meaning to protect us from spending more for a product just because we can get a unique ship with it than we could by buying a competitive product without the ship. Which I find is a good thing because it shows that she cares. As for the nature in which she expressed this? If she seemed a bit grumpy in her message, ... hello, she's @GrumpyCat & that explains that. Are there better storage solutions? Sure, if you have the means to use them instead. However, at present, as @Mazawrath pointed out, we can simply think of this as buying the ship & getting the hardware for free.

I won't lie about thinking that it should come with LTI like every other normal ship, but that is because years ago my fleet began by buying an ASUS Strix R9 285 video card as an upgrade from my last card for a new PC build & I received my Mustang Omega which also only came with 2 months of insurance. In case you are wondering, I have used my Concierge service to ask if there is a way to upgrade it to LTI & if not why CIG doesn't simply change that for all of us in the system since it would cost them nothing. I got a long winded reply that said something about the deal they had with AMD at that time.

If I had the cash on hand to buy this SSD card to get the new ship, I would do so in a heartbeat without remorse because I'm sure that I'll find a way to maximize the new SSD's value in my present rig & I'll have a sweet new exclusive ship to enjoy as well.

Joehockey · Oct 29, 2017

I would bet that Intel wanted to get their hands on some great advertising through CIG so they paired up, Intel threw a load of money towards advertising for CIG and towards funding CitCon. Doesn't necessarily mean that CIG is pushing unnecessary hardware as much as the price of the hardware being more than it should be. If it was an SSD that was paired with a Starter package or a Cutlass game package it wouldn't have been inflated so much. But instead they chose to pair the SSD with what I would have guessed to be a $200-$250 ship and that inflated the price a bit.

Toihva · Oct 29, 2017

Again, when you look at Sequential Read/Write speeds, its the drive just doing that. When you throw the Read into a Write sequence performance tends to take a huge hit, same going with a Write in a Read Sequence in a normal SSD or M.2 drive. Optane see's no hit when you mix it up. So according to the article the R/W times are constant and not based on just reading or writing.

Secondly, we all know SSD's take a performance hit when they are near full, these don't. Again, big advantage over the Pro as far as gaming goes.

Is it worth the current price? Don't think so, but if they can come down a $100 or so, could mean good things for us.

Talonsbane · Oct 29, 2017

GrumpyCat said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off grumpy about it, if I did.

I just think its silly to buy an inferior product for more like you said.

I didn't take your initial message as you being grumpy @GrumpyCat but as being concerned for the welfare of those of us who would buy into this product blindly based on the hype to then later suffer buyers remorse that they could do nothing about. I was meaning to shed that light on things in case somebody might have understood things the wrong way.

Talonsbane · Oct 29, 2017

Toihva said:
Secondly, we all know SSD's take a performance hit when they are near full, these don't.

Speaking from personal experience, whenever I'm close to being "near full" after a good meal, my performance drops to a snails pace. Especially after a delicious Thanksgiving or Christmas feast with the family. #TryptophanComa LoL

Can we talk about the fact that CIG is pedling a useless hardware to its player base

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