Anvil Paladin Q&A

[Radegast74]

CIG has the usual Spectrum thread asking for questions. So far, the questions are a little spicy!

Anvil Paladin - Looking For Questions Q&A - Star Citizen Spectrum

Bonjour everyone! We recently unveiled the latest concept from Anvil Aerospace: the Paladin. Anvil Aerospace stands at the forefront of Humanity’s defense, creating the weapons that protect...

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[Shadow Reaper]

“Spicey” doesn’t cover it. Sounds like players are done believing CIG is honest when they sell concepts, only to later nerf them. The weapons nerfs on the Redeemer are ridiculous. That ship was fine the way it was.

 

[Dirtbag_Leader]

Yeah, I upvoted some of those comments, this whole Redeemer -> Paladin thing feels truly underhanded, and I'm glad they're getting called out on it!

 

[Shadow Reaper]

A dedicated gunship like the Hammerhead, Redeemer or Paladin ought to have more and bigger guns and shields than ships that haul cargo, bombs, etc. Nerfing the Redeemer just before putting out virtually the same weapons package on another ship says to the players “we are not trustworthy”.

There is pretty much nothing worse CIG could have done to its famously loyal fan base than to prove to them they view them with contempt. I’m afraid this fuck-up is not like the others. They should expect some serious fallout from this. Had they not nerfed the Redeemer, they’d be fine. As is, they are not fine. This is serious.

 

[Radegast74]

The weapons nerfs on the Redeemer are ridiculous. That ship was fine the way it was.

Regarding the Corsair, I thought it was OP from the start, so I was not surprised by the (eventual, if not late) nerfhammer. With the Redeemer, I was a bit surprised...

...but then when they came out with the Paladin immediately after the Redeemer nerf, let's just say it smells really, really bad.

 

[Talonsbane]

My personal frustrated opinion is rather dark, read at your own digression.

Spoiler: Dark perspective trigger warning!

Those in charge of changing the specs of ships, especially in using the nerf bat to vehicles in order to sell more of a newly incoming ship, deserve to be beaten unconscious with a whiffle ball bat. Then as they wake up, informed that their salary has been "adjusted" for the sake of income balancing & will now only take home the income of a part time assistant janitor, but will still be required to work just as many hours & perform just as well as before, or be terminated & sued for the costs of their replacement's incomes for the next decade. Perhaps then, they'll understand the frustrations of the fans of many Star Citizen vehicles that they've negatively effected for the sake of the sales & marketing team, who would be included in this "nerfing".

Example of Whiffle Ball bat with ball:

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I personally understood the Corvair nerf, because it is not intended to be a solo ship. It’s just as lethal now as it used to be, so long as it has a small crew.

The fact they tried to release the Paladin with no pilot guns is very, very concerning. 4S4 pilot guns is fine and without nerfing the Redeemer they can sell it. It has its own cool. That rail mounted turret is full of enough awesome and the larger interior as compared to the Redeemer will appeal to many.

So CIG really shot themselves in the foot while trying to be clever, and I hate to say it but they deserve reduced sales. I hope it teaches them to respect their supporters rather than try to manipulate them. If they do this again they’re gonna earn some more serious financial slap therapy, and they’ll get it too.

 

[Mudhawk]

Dunno about all this NERV talk. Back when I was younger the Drake Corsair had 4 S4 and 2 S3 gimbaled or 4 S5 and 2 S4 fixed. But suddenly the gimbales didn't reduce gunsizes anymore and people did no longer have to choose between precision of firepower.
THAT was the weird part.
The Corsair being overpowered was obviously a temporal thing from the get go.
As for the Paladin and the Redeemer, so far the Paladin has to mostly go balistic weapons. Because 2 S2 powerplants for all that equipment?
For a ship that's supposed "to stay in the fight" I doubt that 20 ammo on 4 S5 Galdereens is acceptable. But currently that's probably all she's goof for if you go all energy guns and power to shields...
A brawler with Asthma. Kinda sad, dont you think?

 

[Mudhawk]

As for the Spectrum post, I did my duty:

 

[Blind Owl]

As for the Spectrum post, I did my duty:
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You Sir, are asking the hard questions! Hats off to you. Lol

 

[FZD]

Personally, I'm just glad that more people are waking up to the whole "overpowered at launch, nerfed after 6-12 months" thing CIG has had going for a long while now.
First step of fixing the problem, is that a hundred thousand backers admit that there's a problem.
Saying "These are our current vehicle specifications. Some of this may change during the 3D design and game balancing process" is a bit deceptive when the new ships are purposefully breaking the balance to generate revenue.

Anyhow, hopefully we will see some positive change instead of spectrum mods just censoring all negative comments again.

 

[Thalstan]

I honestly don't know how they have avoided a "bait and switch" lawsuit up till now.
Yes, things can change, but they almost always sell overpowered ships, nerf them, then give people back maybe half of what was "forecast". Once is a mistake, twice a coincidence, this is WELL beyond that.

 

[FZD]

Anyone know what the question with between 755 and 842 likes was before Nightrider got to it? I'm very curious.

 

[Sky Captain]

I'm tracking with the comments about CIG vs the Redeemer nerfs. I hate to say it but I anticipated the Redeemer getting nerfed from the get-go. I suspect the challenge CIG faced was that the Paladin just looks beefier than the Redeemer, causing CIG to feel a need to also make the Paladin 'tactically bigger' than the Redeemer with its weapons loadout without raising the power threshold of both ships across the board, resulting in the Redeemer finally being nerfed. I get the disappointment in that. But honestly, I'm not too concerned about it. I've was never been a huge fan of the Redeemer's 'Leatherman-tool-shaped' engine design, have kept that ship on my 'CCU upgrade target' list for a long time, and Paladin finally seems like a reasonable choice for that. Rest in peace, Redeemer!

 

[Talonsbane]

You Sir, are asking the hard questions! Hats off to you. Lol

There are quite a few politicians around the world that refuse to answer questions that punch this hard.

This question should be followed up by asking exactly "WHO at CIG has been wielding the nerf hammer & WHO keeps ordering these strikes against the backers?"
(Which is effectively demanding to know the name of the people responsible, for them to be sacrificed in the eyes of those they have wronged with their nerfs.)

 

[Raven_King]

When will the nerf hammer be on sale?

 

[Talonsbane]

When will the nerf hammer be on sale?

I don't know how much that will cost, but I already have a target that I plan on hitting as hard as possible with it. The vehicle prices, because if they can reduce a vehicle's performance under the guise of "balancing", it's only fair that we reduce the costs to an equal degree for the same reason. LoL The wait to see how long it takes them to switch to boosting vehicles instead of nerfing them "for the sake of balancing".

 

[Ayeteeone]

LoL The wait to see how long it takes them to switch to boosting vehicles instead of nerfing them "for the sake of balancing".

The Constellation series would like a word. Only one though, as they need to get back to work being good at everything.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

The wait to see how long it takes them to switch to boosting vehicles instead of nerfing them "for the sake of balancing".

To be fair, they do both. The Firebird had virtually no purchases until they doubled the missile loadout and sharply enhanced the stealth and maneuverability to match the Raven. So they are “balancing” in both directions. The real question is how they routinely get the balance so obviously and stupidly wrong.

No one is buying the TAC. If it had S3 scan you can bet players would look at it. They obviously screwed up the balance in an inexplicable way. It does not have enough power aboard for 2S3 shields, 4 turrets and such large engines. Anyone can look at that build and see “yes, that is obviously and stupidly wrong”.

It doesn’t seem to me CIG is trying to get these things right. It looks like the “learned incompetence” so many people use to lower the expectations of others.

Why should we lower our expectations? All these people are being paid. When you fuck up like this you need to be fired. Let’s bring back firing the asses of incompetent people.

 

[KuruptU4Fun]

Yeah, I upvoted some of those comments, this whole Redeemer -> Paladin thing feels truly underhanded, and I'm glad they're getting called out on it!

To be honest I thank that since the Redeemer was made prior to the "style guide" of Anvil ships and it being hugely unbalanced back when it won TNGS show they should give it the Mk. II treatment. It will never find balance because it's neither a gunship nor a dropship.

Allow players to do a $0 CCU to the new one or accept that it will never find a place where it's "balanced" against other ship types I mentioned earlier.