Prison Ships
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SkippyLeDoo
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Ah yes, the American mindset of prison and criminality. Did you ever wonder why Sweden has such a low crime rate?
Seriously, though. The last thing I need is to hear that half the galaxy hates us because we take prisoners for no damn reason, and butcher them. We'd get a reputation for being butchers in and outside of battle, and that would make things difficult for our other arms in TEST. For example, the public outreach programs.
You may love criminals but I don't nor do I have to. If they were outstanding members of society they wouldn't be in prison and we'd be having parties for them instead of court hearings.
If you aren't a fan of my idea, then please find another post to talk on. You clearly aren't what I'm looking for. And if you don't like what we do in our prisons I guess you'll just have to file a complaint with the warden. :rolleyes:
Combat is part of this game, a big part. If players don't want to get caught up in it they'll avoid it. The players that do want to be caught up in it will know what they're risking if they get caught by the opposing side. Such is war today and so shall it be in the future. Humanity may have better technology in this game but we still live in the modern world where the modern mindset is relevant and will be carried over into the game.
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Idiot. I don't like criminals either, but I am not the type to want to wish the world's worst upon anyone. Seriously, get it right.
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What's with the name calling? No need to be rude because you don't agree with me.
I felt insulted that you and others would take such a sadistic view of the treatment of criminals/prisoners (though I might have misread something). There's a goddamn reason why we had the Geneva Conventions.
Ever heard of the Golden Rule?
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Well you and I don't have to agree about what we do with prisoners and if you don't like what we plan to do... please find another thread to post in. The Geneva Convention won't be in this game. There will be slavery in this game and I'm guessing members of TEST will own or sell some during their time in the 'verse. Are you insulted by that as well?
Maybe you should just ignore it if you're truly insulted and don't agree like a mature adult instead of trying to call me names. This isn't grade school, we are not children. If you don't care that I disregard their lives once they've taken the life of another, get over it... This isn't the place for you.
Maybe you should just ignore it if you're truly insulted and don't agree like a mature adult instead of trying to call me names. This isn't grade school, we are not children. If you don't care that I disregard their lives once they've taken the life of another, get over it... This isn't the place for you.
WarrenPeace
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Questions of morality aside, it's simply inefficient to be arbitrarily cruel to prisoners. If TEST gets a reputation for treating people cruelly, for indulging in slavery and torture and black market experiments, people will fight to the death rather than be captured. This lowers revenue, increases expenses and also increases the chances that people will do something like self-destruct their ship and try to take us out as well. There may even be white-knight crusaders who will simply try to kill us because we've developed a unsavory reputation.
Now, if we're talking people who have been captured for slavery and illegal experimentation themselves, I'm fine with that. Reap what you sow, and all the noise. But if we're talking somebody who just picked the wrong Hull B to pirate? Just toss them in the clink til we can cash in the bounty.
Now, if we're talking people who have been captured for slavery and illegal experimentation themselves, I'm fine with that. Reap what you sow, and all the noise. But if we're talking somebody who just picked the wrong Hull B to pirate? Just toss them in the clink til we can cash in the bounty.
Oh, I'm a mature adult. There's just a limit to how much dickery I can tolerate.
Are you trying to be the next Josef Mengele?
Slavery is fine within a game, as long as it doesn't ruin people's game experiences; however, even if the prisoners are NPCs, I cannot stomach the idea of abusing prisoners/criminals. How would you feel if you were a slave, and you got thrown to a black market doctor that dealt in illegal organ trade?
People can say "It's a game, it's a game" as much as they want; some things just hit too close to home for me.
GrammarGestapo
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who says they'll all be criminals? TEST isn't a police force. In all honesty, none of them would be. We wouldn't have a bunch of people with bounties just sitting around on a prison ship. We'd have turned them in to the real authorities. The only people we'd have on a prison ship would be slaves, hostages taken by our pirates, or just annoying players we felt deserved it.
And now you're comparing me to a German scientist? You really need to calm down and leave my thread, please. I've asked that you do that multiple times and I really don't want this to become an issue because you're trying to protect a bunch of NPCs. They're NPCs and it will be my ship. What I do on my ship will be my business. You don't have to read it, hear about it, see it...anything. Ignore it. Be the mature adult you claim to be and ignore it.
You know the great thing about NPCs? They don't have feelings. Even if the game is programmed for them to express certain emotions, they still truly don't have feelings. They'll never hurt, never cry and never go out and tell someone what happened in the prison. Why? Because they're already dead and dead men don't talk. Why did he die? Maybe he got out of control and tried to strike a guard? Cover stories can be made.
If it's truly something TEST doesn't want, even though others have clearly expressed that they're interested, then maybe change that you don't accept all play styles? Just a suggestion.
You don't think if they add prison ships that U.E.E. players will able to use them? Why's that? Who says they won't be criminals? I can control who comes and goes on my ship and I'll know the offense before receiving the prisoner.
GrammarGestapo
Pro Chat Necromancer
If a guy gets a bounty, the guy who got it gets the money. He can just take that in all likeliness single bounty to the nearest planet in his own ship, no need to take it to a prison ship. If, on the other hand, we are using our prison ship to transport UEE prisoners between prisons, then we CLEARLY should not piss off the UEE and kill their prisoners.
There are two ways we'll have a need for a large prison ship, as well as having a reason to trade organs: Pirate hostages that our pirate sub org takes and needs storage for, or enemy players that we pick up en-masse in order to temporarily stop from being able to grab another fighter and get in the fight with us. No criminals there. Anyone with an actual bounty we would just turn in for legal cash with no strings attached.
Well, if your actions drag TEST's reputation through the mud and exposes our members to more risk than is reasonable, there will very likely be a reckoning.
Do take note of what Warren Peace said.
In the long term, prison ships are fine to me, my concern lies in the treatment of prisoners, be they player or NPC. Even if you do handwavium with the "NPC" excuse, it still serves as a window into your individual character, and your standards.
You are exhibiting a disappointing lack of empathy.
GrammarGestapo
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also, NKato is right, it's easy to dehumanize prisoners. You really should reevaluate your own mental stability if you think committing a crime is automatic license for everyone else to torture and mutilate you.
Empathy is what keeps this world from going to shit. Try to feel some.
Is all you can do insult me because you don't agree with me? Seriously, I've asked you MANY times to leave the thread alone. Please kindly go. I don't need you around.
Have you read the entire thread? "Eye-for-an-eye" did you miss that bit? In a game where you can blow someone's ship up and murder their character, why are you trying to defend morality? This game has murder and theft... It's part of the game.
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