Prison Ships

[NKato]

Is all you can do insult me because you don't agree with me? Seriously, I've asked you MANY times to leave the thread alone. Please kindly go. I don't need you around.

Just because you can't handle being called out on your lack of empathy and understanding of human rights abuses, doesn't give you license to tell me to GTFO.

You're coming off to me as the type of person who would massacre civilians as a soldier, because you'd know that you won't get prosecuted for it.

Have you read the entire thread? "Eye-for-an-eye" did you miss that bit? In a game where you can blow someone's ship up and murder their character, why are you trying to defend morality? This game has murder and theft... It's part of the game.

I prefer to be the guy that doesn't aim for "eye for an eye", but proper justice. That means delivering the prisoner to be tried by the system - without injury. If you take it upon yourself to exact justice for yourself, then you've tainted the system.

There is a goddamn reason why the U.S. police are getting a bad rap right now. Like that one guy who died after a ride in the paddy wagon - was that justice?

The answer is no.

By the way, note the bolded part of your quote. The fact that you specifically mention murder, makes me wonder as to your mental character and rationality. Morality is how we maintain a semblance of civility and is one of the foundation blocks of a long-lasting civilization.

To eschew morality completely, means you have thrown yourself into the world of beasts with little regard for yourself or others.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Just because you can't handle being called out on your lack of empathy and understanding of human rights abuses, doesn't give you license to tell me to GTFO.

You're coming off to me as the type of person who would massacre civilians as a soldier, because you'd know that you won't get prosecuted for it.

They are NPCs in a video game. I've mentioned that how many times now?

 

[NKato]

They are NPCs in a video game. I've mentioned that how many times now?

And I've said that even though they are NPCs, your actions are a reflection of yourself. What if you like it so much that you end up doing it to players?

Oh, whoops. I'd have to kill you. Repeatedly. So you wouldn't fuck up TEST's reputation. And you'd probably be very likely get ejected. TEST is about fun, not being a gang of psychos.

 

[GrammarGestapo]

Yeah, I feel like this has gotten out of hand. It's just devolved into name calling.

 

[Kersakov]

Wow this got nasty but as the guy that originally brought it up, I will point out that I wasn't suggesting torturing prisoners for the hell of it, particularly non-npc prisoners and also particularly prisoners that have a cashable bounty on them.
I'm very interested in the organised crime aspect of SC which for me includes black market trading in things like forged documents, illegal drugs and even organs/slaves. I get the impression that something will be implemented to stop players from holding other players captive indefinately because that literally ruins the game for some people and even if it is possible, I would be targeting NPC's intentionally because I'm not about ruining peoples fun.
That said, the whole point of TEST, drinking and incompetence jokes aside, is that we don't inflict rules on what our members can and can't do and there is no TEST ban against piracy and illegal activity. If you want to apply your own moral code to the game then thats cool but don't see it as an expected code of practice; I fully intend to kill people in the game, maybe because I was paid to etc. but I doubt I would in real life. I don't see harvesting NPC's organs for profit as a sadistic activity and I don't see it as a reflection of my real life morality.
A final point about TEST's Reputation, We have like 6000 members and thats going to keep growing right up to the PU's release. Any half intelligent player is going to realise that the actions of one group of people does not reflect on the entire org and unless we end up at like 50% pirates, I can't see it having any affect on the law-abiding groups of TEST.

 

[GrammarGestapo]

Wow this got nasty but as the guy that originally brought " stuff ".

I agree for the most part, on the small scale, it won't be a problem. But if it gets too big, we would have to stop it. If only to keep our law-abiding org members from getting unfairly abused.

 

[NKato]

Wow this got nasty but as the guy that originally brought it up, I will point out that I wasn't suggesting torturing prisoners for the hell of it, particularly non-npc prisoners and also particularly prisoners that have a cashable bounty on them.
I'm very interested in the organised crime aspect of SC which for me includes black market trading in things like forged documents, illegal drugs and even organs/slaves. I get the impression that something will be implemented to stop players from holding other players captive indefinately because that literally ruins the game for some people and even if it is possible, I would be targeting NPC's intentionally because I'm not about ruining peoples fun.
That said, the whole point of TEST, drinking and incompetence jokes aside, is that we don't inflict rules on what our members can and can't do and there is no TEST ban against piracy and illegal activity. If you want to apply your own moral code to the game then thats cool but don't see it as an expected code of practice; I fully intend to kill people in the game, maybe because I was paid to etc. but I doubt I would in real life. I don't see harvesting NPC's organs for profit as a sadistic activity and I don't see it as a reflection of my real life morality.
A final point about TEST's Reputation, We have like 6000 members and thats going to keep growing right up to the PU's release. Any half intelligent player is going to realise that the actions of one group of people does not reflect on the entire org and unless we end up at like 50% pirates, I can't see it having any affect on the law-abiding groups of TEST.

You're right that there are no particular rules for TEST yet, but that's largely because we don't know how the game will react to us doing certain things - especially when it comes to matters related to the community.

Even if we have 6,000 members, the problem with reputation still stands. If one person or a small group of people manage to do terrorist bombings on a conga line of Genesis Starliners, that's going to proper fuck TEST's reputation in a hurry.

I'm just particularly concerned about balancing our illegal activities with the needs of TEST's majority - most of which will probably dabble in piracy, but not engage in extended illegal activity - which means we need to be careful about exposing ourselves to unnecessary hostility. Ultimately, my personal view of humane treatment of our opponents - as well as prisoners - tends to factor into this when I express my opinions on it.

As Warren Peace says, we could get big enough to adopt a "Might makes Right" approach, but I'd rather avoid that, because look what happened to the Garlean Empire when they invaded Eorzea. :P A bunch of scrappy adventurers beat the snot out of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world. (I'm referencing FFXIV, obviously.)

 

[Shive]

This is the third time I regret not saying yes to become a forum mod...
This thread has derailed completely.

To Jimmy Dean:
Political views should be kept off the forums here completely.
Talking so badly about criminals in real life is obviously going to offend a lot of people. Do NOT demonize groups.

That said... you're completely free to take a great hate to criminals in the game world however... and/or from within character

To NKato and GrammarGestapo:
No matter how offended you are, you have to go for the ball and not the man.
Name calling, and implying mental instability etc. due to a disagreement is completely unacceptable and I will not see it again.
I would have suspended you for a time if I could for this behavior NKato.

 

[GrammarGestapo]

stuff

That MAY be true, but I suspect TEST will be able to improve our position with the UEE via various things. Such as ejecting the offender, or offering him to the UEE etc. There must be things like that in place, in order to stop good guy orgs from getting sabotaged.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

I request this thread be closed and/or deleted. Let's just leave it there.

 

[NKato]

To NKato and GrammarGestapo:
No matter how offended you are, you have to go for the ball and not the man.
Name calling, and implying mental instability etc. due to a disagreement is completely unacceptable and I will not see it again.
I would have suspended you for a time if I could for this behavior NKato.

Apologies. I do apologize to Jimmy Dean for my remarks, as well.

I do, however, stand by my position on the matter that mistreatment of POWs, bounties, and any kind of prisoners - be they player or NPC - will not be tolerable, from my perspective.

 

[GrammarGestapo]

I request this thread be closed and/or deleted. Let's just leave it there.

agreed, you have my apologies too.

 

[Montoya]

And so ends another glorious thread! :D