B-21 - US New AI Bomber

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If we put Northrop Grumman (real bomber) and CIG (pixel spaceship) head to head, who do you think would produce a product faster?

"The classified Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B) program began in 2011" wikipedia

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If we put Northrop Grumman (real bomber) and CIG (pixel spaceship) head to head, who do you think would produce a product faster?
It's probably an artifact of the word choice but with your criteria above, CIG already won. There is even a bomber inspired by the above in the game, along side of several others.
 

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Now the trick is, to replace the ordinance with bomb shaped chilled kegs with GPS guidance controls & built in parachutes to slow the fall the rest of the way, so that the USAF can show the world how truly TESTified they can be, by delivering pinpoint "strikes" of keg deliveries during outdoor Bar Citizen events. Cheers!
 

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It's probably an artifact of the word choice but with your criteria above, CIG already won. There is even a bomber inspired by the above in the game, alongside of several others.
But the "real" bomber actually flies - real wind, air, physics. CIG can't even get a pretend bomber to fly for 12 hours on a busy server without a crash (30k)... and if they do it is an outlier. That is why I am thankful Star Citizen does NOT have anything to do with "REAL" planes/rockets/space shuttles, because we'd all be dead. Because if airplanes started falling out of the sky because of "glitches", Chris Roberts would be in jail. The point is, that we can engineer real-life stuff faster than CIG can create a make-believe universe. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. That said, Star Citizen has been running better than ever, so that is a big development... a good thing Chris isn't in charge of something that matters.


"Boeing recently ousted CEO Dennis Muilenburg who oversaw the launch of the 737 Max program." - so there is actually some accountability.

Gosh... I'm harsh in writing.
 
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It's probably an artifact of the word choice but with your criteria above, CIG already won. There is even a bomber inspired by the above in the game, along side of several others.
umm, the Eclipse was inspired by the B-2, not the B-21.
In BOTH cases, what we have are demos. Until the raider finishes flight testing and goes into production, it's not done yet. Until CIG releases SC, it's not "done" yet. That said, I know SC will continue to be improved even after release, but I am talking release 1.0, not alpha 3.X, 4.X, etc.

That said, my money is on Lockheed.
 

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That said, my money is on Lockheed.
See, I'm totally onboard here... that looks like a heck of an aircraft, and it can make a much bigger BOOM! And as my father was an Air Force pilot, I mean it's in my DNA to think that's beyond cool. BTW my favorite aircraft, for reasons like you could hear in your throat, was the F8F Bearcat.

Anyhow, I was answering the question the way I saw it, without additional qualifiers.
 

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I think the Cylons might have the Terminators on a chain wearing a gimp suite!
I think that the Terminators would start the fight by killing the human looking Cylons thinking that they're humans, then end up as the shock troops / cannon fodder of the Cylons in the wars waged against humanity on future planets containing human life.
 

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But the "real" bomber actually flies - real wind, air, physics. CIG can't even get a pretend bomber to fly for 12 hours on a busy server without a crash (30k)... and if they do it is an outlier. That is why I am thankful Star Citizen does NOT have anything to do with "REAL" planes/rockets/space shuttles, because we'd all be dead. Because if airplanes started falling out of the sky because of "glitches", Chris Roberts would be in jail. The point is, that we can engineer real-life stuff faster than CIG can create a make-believe universe. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. That said, Star Citizen has been running better than ever, so that is a big development... a good thing Chris isn't in charge of something that matters.


"Boeing recently ousted CEO Dennis Muilenburg who oversaw the launch of the 737 Max program." - so there is actually some accountability.

Gosh... I'm harsh in writing.
Lots of stuff here... Going to point out that 'recently' isn't even close to the truth, Muilenberg was shown the door 4 years ago. And the investment firm he founded afterward has failed too. Good riddance to bad leadership. There is much more to this story but the tl:dr is that all the involved executives were eventually dismissed.

The U.S. Government/Military Industrial Complex Company name of your Choice has trillions in spending, most of which is unbacked, imaginary money. We'll never know how much this prototype cost, but I'll guarantee it'd get Everyone at CIG a yatch of their own. So your comparison is non-sequitor; it does not logically follow.

Unpopular opinion - the Air Force has a bomber fetish that simply cannot be supported by real world events.
A) We (the USA) are never going to start a nuclear war. If one is started by someone else, most of ours will not get off the ground.
B) Bombers are big targets that are forcing 'stealth' technology developments to keep them survivable within the areas that traditional weapons are needed. They can be tracked from several vectors including advanced ground-based radars and satellite sensors.
C) The standoff weapons that stealth bombers can carry are also fitted to the B-52, a decidedly un-stealthy workhorse that will likely have a 100+ year service lifespan as the remaining units go into yet another rework for their engines and avionics.
D) Those same standoff weapons can be delivered by other platforms, most of which are multimission. Economics of doing so is a valid question.
E) Warfare has changed, and is continuing to evolve away from direct engagement by large capitol assets.

In SC gameplay, once we have proper Pathfinders and Scouts in game, using an A1 or A2 is going to become a very dodgey proposition. CIG will likely do some kind of balancing to make it possible, but my money goes on the RISK side of that scale. I.E. if you get past my Terrapin, it's likely because I'm vectoring @marcsand2 and his Yellowjackets in on top of you.

My money is on the USAF having AI controlled aircraft before CIG comes out with NPC crewman. :glorious:
Already do. Look up MQ-25; also the Loyal Wingman program. These are flying now.

For perspective: I'm retired USN Aviation, with many years in a fighter squadron and the Electronic Warfare community. At this time I work for the company making the KC-46A Tanker, and spent a year hands-on within that program.
 
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Unpopular opinion - the Air Force has a bomber fetish that simply cannot be supported by real world events.
A) We (the USA) are never going to start a nuclear war. If one is started by someone else, most of ours will not get off the ground.
B) Bombers are big targets that are forcing 'stealth' technology developments to keep them survivable within the areas that traditional weapons are needed. They can be tracked from several vectors including advanced ground-based radars and satellite sensors.
C) The standoff weapons that stealth bombers can carry are also fitted to the B-52, a decidedly un-stealthy workhorse that will likely have a 100+ year service lifespan as the remaining units go into yet another rework for their engines and avionics.
D) Those same standoff weapons can be delivered by other platforms, most of which are multimission. Economics of doing so is a valid question.
E) Warfare has changed, and is continuing to evolve away from direct engagement by large capitol assets.
Those are really good points but remember this is not a traditional bomber. It will have 2 pilots still loaded with AI on the backend that can analyze the battlefield and fly as a drone itself.

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In March 2022, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall III raised the possibility of a bomber drone to work with the bomber,[55][56] but the idea was later dropped because it would not save much money to produce such a large unmanned aircraft.[57]

The USAF is also planning to acquire a new long-range fighter from its Next Generation Air Dominance program, known as the F-X or "Penetrating Counter-Air", to escort the B-21 deep into enemy territory and help it survive enemy air defenses and intercepting fighters.[58][59][60]

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The B-21 is slated to, by 2040, replace the U.S. Air Force's 45 B-1 strategic bombers, which date from the 1980s, and 20 B-2 strategic bombers, which date from the 1990s. The B-21 may also eventually replace the B-52, which is slated to remain in service for many decades.[4][54]


New kinds of sensing technologies, fortified by AI-capable computer processing, can quickly integrate new target information, organize it in relation to established mission objectives and make crucial adjustments without needing human intervention. Of course humans could still make decisions regarding the potential use of lethal force, yet advanced autonomy can enable the aircraft to perform an entirely new dimension of mission objective independently in a way that can improve efficiency, speed up a decision cycle and respond to new intelligence information in real time.

“The B-21 is being designed with open systems architecture to reduce integration risk and enable competition for future modernization efforts to allow for the aircraft to evolve as the threat environment changes,” the Air Force report says.
 
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