Will Nvidia skip a new GPU release?

[Dirtbag_Leader]

I'm feelin' pretty good about sticking with my 4090 for the time being! Yeah, I'm missing out on a small bit of raytracing, but it's so damn efficient on thermals even if I *could* straight trade it out for a 5090 I'm not sure I'd want to bother, it's so power hungry! (I run at 7680x2160, so I need a fair amount of graphics horsepower to have reasonable framerates!)

 

[Aramsolari]

Sticking to my 4070 as long as I can. I got other bills to pay.

Jensen ain't getting more of my money. He can take his leather jackets and his AI and suck it!

 

[GarikDuvall]

Here I am still rocking a 1080 lmao. I'll wait to see how things go this year (especially with RAM and other component prices) then maybe finally build a new rig for SC and similar games late 26/early 27.

 

[Mudhawk]

Here I am still rocking a 1080 lmao. I'll wait to see how things go this year (especially with RAM and other component prices) then maybe finally build a new rig for SC and similar games late 26/early 27.

Well, fun fact, a year ago I replaced my rig (AMD Ryzen 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4, 1+2 TB NVMe, RTX 4070 Super) with a new one because at the time GPU Prizes in the sub 1000€ range gave in due to the release of the AMD 9070 series of cards.
So I got me an AMD Ryzen 9800X3D, 64GB , 1+2 TB NVMe, RTX 5070TI.
Still kept the old rig for TESTing and stuff.
Just checked the pre-owned market prices for computers.
The old rig is almost the same value that I payed for the new components last year.
Soooo.... @GarikDuvall, I wish you the best of luck or a verry well-fed wallet!
Probably both...

 

[Raven_King]

Still on a PC built in 2017 here, and it's still up but struggling. It can't run Windows 11 which is my main concern, with Windows 10 unsupported now. Still works, still seems virus-free, but it feels so dodgy to be letting it connect it to the net even behind a decent firewall. The CPU is an i7-7700K 4-Core which is much more of a bottleneck for SC than the 1080 Ti! That little card is still chugging along. But definitely time to build a new rig. Just in time for Squadron 42? (Not holding my breath.)

 

[CitizenDad]

shit is WILD. 20 years as an Intel and Nvidia industry guy and even i am just using 4080 supers, 4090's, and 5080's can't do the 5090's when it's all about fake ass frames anyway. raw compute power per dollar is down and i'm so sad about it.

oh soon though we might see Intel making some decent upper mid range, lower high end cards for a reasonable price. still all about fake frames tbh but at least it's something. AMD makes some cards but charges an arm and a leg for them and still unacceptable failure rates that are at beast 2x Nvidia counterparts, at worst 5x (looking at you MSI 7000 series with your 1/5 gpu's that wer DOA for the one chicago LAN center order we did few months ago).

for ram its all bad news. micron is spending like 60 bills, intel/sk hynix are spending probably half that i hear, and samsung spending a lot too just to attempt to meet demand in a few years, not outpace it and bring prices down lol.

FUCK AI.

Still over 9001MHz on cherry picked 6.0GHz CPU that really unlocks the 4090's, and 5080's in CryEnging/Star Engine/Lumberyard praying the 48gig m die kit holds up ain't used our last kit on a homies PC so no replacements if even on of these sticks goes down.


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[Mudhawk]

FUCK AI.

Well, not like I don't feel you.
But the question is whether AI bears fruit or not.
IF AI finally works and wonder oh wonder solves all of mankinds problems in the blink of an eye then every dollar spent was well worth it.
What is a little frustration concerning a hobby compared to the greater good, right?
But if it's just a crazed rush of wealthy people spending unimagible amounts of cash in persuite of market domination, thus creating a gigantic case of FOMO for little gain but great collateral damage then...
oh well...
It's another pyramid scheme, isn't it?
And market prices for RAM an dGPU will be the least of our problems once that bubble bursts.
Damn...
Fuck AI....

 

[CitizenDad]

Well, watching millenials in the work space try to use AI not to do better work but to be lazy and shortcut things.. let's just say I am not personally that hopeful anymore lol.

Also, see: SKYNET

 

[BUTUZ]

shit is WILD. 20 years as an Intel and Nvidia industry guy and even i am just using 4080 supers, 4090's, and 5080's can't do the 5090's when it's all about fake ass frames anyway. raw compute power per dollar is down and i'm so sad about it.
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Shame 5090 is a great card raw power wise - +50% FPS compared to my 4090. I was lucky to get mine at RRP. I wouldn't buy one now, today. I think 4080super/5080 is the sweet spot

 

[CitizenDad]

Shame 5090 is a great card raw power wise - +50% FPS compared to my 4090. I was lucky to get mine at RRP. I wouldn't buy one now, today. I think 4080super/5080 is the sweet spot

Damn, which apps, games, benchmarks bro?

Most we got a 5090 astral to do vs a 4090 watercooled big boy wattage Intel labs BIOS was like 30% more fps on 14900K. Like maybe 20% on 9800x3d. Oh did you also change CPU's?

 

[BUTUZ]

Hmm I might have been wrong - all those benchmarks I did were on NVME on my motherboard that I bricked with a bios update.

I'll get the stuff off there one day - Priority 1 I've got spare RAM to sell now the prices are crazy.

 

[Mudhawk]

Today we got a public cell-broadcast test in Germany.
The content though is... disturbing...

PS: Do not fret. This is one of these internet half-truths. Germany does an official nationwide cell-broadcast test today.
But that message I got last summer as I was taking up a job in a secret goverment installation.
Fun times...

 

[Dirtbag_Leader]

It can't run Windows 11 which is my main concern, with Windows 10 unsupported now.

You MAY be able to get around this problem. I've heard the Win11 'requirements' are only checked at installation, and thus all you need to do to get around them are to install Win11 on a drive that's plugged into a Mobo/CPU that DOES meet the requirements, but then before connecting it to the 'net and letting Windows 'register' or whatever, you then swap the drive into YOUR old hardware, fire it up, let registration finish, and boom! Montoya's your uncle!

 

[Mudhawk]

It can't run Windows 11 which is my main concern

and thus all you need to do to get around them are to install Win11 on a drive that's plugged into a Mobo/CPU that DOES meet the requirements

Actually you do not have to get complicated like that.
You download th eofficial Win11 ISO from the official webpage.
You get the tool Rufus to write it on an USB drive.
In Rufus under Extras you remove the check CPU and Check TPM 2.0 Options.
Now you got a boot stich that does not care for the Installation requirements.
You can use it for the upgrade.
Be warned though that there is no guarantee that future updates wont kick your ass for fooling MS like that.
But as of nor it works with PC down to pretty old I3 CPUs with 4 GB of RAm...

 

[Shadow Reaper]

. . .the question is whether AI bears fruit or not.
IF AI finally works. . .

It works. I designed a next generation naval destroyer with it last week and it is twice the combatant as the Trump class battleship at 1/5 the cost. Two weeks ago I designed a new combat rifle that if developed would replace all combat firearms over night. Both are revolutionary and bringing the designs to life needed massive amounts of insanely complex computation. AI not only did this in a few seconds, it then evaluated the designs against all current competitors to get their real world value, and confirmed my suspicions about where development bottlenecks are, complete with suggestions about overcoming those obstacles.

I’m thinking of coming out of retirement, these computing revolutions are so stunning. Just need cofounders.

 

[Mudhawk]

It works.

Well from my standpoint I'm kinda more conflicted when dealing with Ai.
Since I'm working in IT Support we do sometimes use the MS or Google AIs for... let's say "inspiration".
Because we get a lot of advice and scripts or registry entries and stuff that seem legit at first glance.
We're in a habit of testing them verry carefully though.
Sometimes they work out.
And that's great for sure.
A lot of the time they are off the mark.
Then we return to our AI session and inform the blasted thi...err (cough) ... the brilliant Lord of Tomorrow (better safe than sorry with potential Tyrants), that the tips were sub par.
THEN the AIs tell us "Obvious, that couln't have worked! Duh! Instead you need to do this:...!"
So next trial.
Might work.
But no guarantees.
In case of NOPE (TM) we go back to the AI session once more.
"Obvious, that couln't have worked! Seriously! Instead you need to do this:...!"
Rince,
repeat...
It sometimes even turns into a Moebius loop.
Same tip from 6 sessions ago sold as THE new solution.
Why is that?
Because as of yet and at least with the publicly accessible AIs the main tennet seems to be:
Answer everything and with confidence!
Never leave the impression that you do not know.
Even if you don't.
So you will pretty much always receive a nice sounding answer to your questions.
But you'll always need to double-check for errors.

I do know that one day I'll ask a question and the AI will act like a human for once.
Either ask back specific questions to narrow down the correct answer.
Or simple tell me to bugger off and use my own bioprocessor.
In those two cases I will start taking AI's more seriously than I do now.

But for now the results of AI when compared to the huge costs (and catastrophic side effect economy-wise) do not yet impress me too much.
Well, maybe in the future there will be more cost-effective hardware solutions for AI, through AI.
And , dare I hope, without NVIDIA involved?
Because I the guys in green hold the hardware keys to the brave new AI world any more than they already do...
Ah well, who needs PC gaming anyway, right?

PS: @Shadow Reaper : I figure you'll start with the combat rifle and see how that business works out, right? Those gunboats sound rather excessive, even at 1/5 the cost.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I would probably start with a spaceborne antenna that I haven’t run through AI yet. I need to generate physical dimensions to 3D print that, which means I need a powerful computer and a copy of COMSOL, which if I remember is about $5k plus $500 per each add on. So we’re looking at a $10k investment. I may do it but I want to move first.

The ship design I may just sell to a contractor and let them sell it to the navy. I’m not in a position to negotiate with them.

The rifle is a system of systems and affects virtually every kind of gun you can imagine. I have no idea what to do with a property that valuable. I need a CFO.

 

[Mudhawk]

Well, the way I see it a spaceborne antenna alone won't cut it.
Except if you found a genius way to circumvent the curvature of the planet. (Excuse the pun)
Or do you need the antenna solely for the guns and local testing? In that case ignore that I said anything.
Though if you are a fan of homemade Warmachines, did you already check this DIY MANPAD?

 

[Shadow Reaper]

That’s pretty cool and a little disturbing, but it is certainly the trend to use swarms of cheap tech to overwhelm more sophisticated tech. This guy should be trying to sell these, not explaining how he did it.

The “Teacup Antenna” is designed for high bandwidth cislunar communications in a tiny, ultra-efficient package. It is just 4” across the dish and when stowed, the dielectric resonator is protected from ionizing space plasma by the back of the plastic dish. So it stows flush, about 1.5cm high, and is cheap. However, the real magic is that it only needs 1 watt of power for lunar to Earth communications, so it can be installed in even the smallest 1U cubsats.

Right now, cislunar communications are handled by NASA’s Deep Space Network. However, as space becomes a commercial endeavor, companies will want their own networks rather than timeshare with NASA’s big, expensive dishes. 70 meter dishes like Canberra and Goldstone aren’t needed with a highly efficient system. They really should not have to worry about cislunar communications, so they can focus on interplanetary.

What I did was design a next gen, high gain antenna that makes round trip communications possible with a 4” dish on the spacecraft using just 1 watt, and a 3.5M dish on Earth, requiring 40kw (which sounds like a lot but this is standard). 3.5M dishes with power supply installed are only about $700k, so you actually spend more on the real estate to sit them on, and you need four of them scattered around the world. That’s cheap enough for every Moon involved company to have their own communications, and every tiny cubesat probe able to talk direct to Earth.

The tiny disk is kinda a marvel, leveraging some extremely unusual physics. Key is that 1 watt preamp type transmitters are the size of a stick of gum, but their amplifiers are always much, much larger and more power hungry. My antenna doesn’t need the amplifier because it is so efficient. So even though you could force 20 watts through it, you never need to, and the preamp sits in the base of the antenna. It takes up no space aboard the craft apart from the stowed size of the deployable.

It’s actually very much cooler than it sounds. I cleared this with a technical simulation team that specializes in space antennas about 6 years ago, and the 4 PhDs in the room all said it should work. I did not however have the $75k to have them do a simulation. Now, so long as I can run COMSOL, AI can do the simulation for me, which is what makes this low hanging fruit.

 

[Mudhawk]

Well, if you can direct 1 watt to pierce through all the white noise up there and reliably transfer a meaningful stream of data to a base station on earth while traversing earths atmosphere diagonally more times than not (pyramid formation with 4 base stations) you will probably earn a nobel price next to the millions (billions? You truly gonna need a CFO) for the patents.
Maybe I should be really nice to you from now on... ?