A2 Hercules - Space Combat Variant

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FINE! FINE! FINE! I got one!! Are you happy now!!! Stupid bikes had to look so cool!!!!

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I totally get what you are saying as well, yes the ship is in concept but that's exactly the concept they came up with lol. Yes we would all love a ship that can haul a shit ton and then blow anything it comes up against out of the water, this is not exactly fair or balanced, this is why you have tradeoff's with ships you sacrifice cargo area for firepower and vice versa at least until you get into the capital or larger ships.

I also hear you when you say you like a particular style I also love the crusader designs and the Hercules is one of my favorites as well but I am happy with the concept and being a cargo hauler if I need protection I will hire or ask friends/org mates to fly escort this is after all the whole point of star citizen, to pick a role, fill that role and this is where the game will thrive imo, there is nothing like the feeling of being in a role you enjoy and knowing other people need you, if you start designing ships that can do everything by themselves you start to remove the whole experience imo.

I have no problems giving you more firepower but I would expect to cut your cargo in half to make room for the firepower if you are happy with that then maybe they can make a 4th variant gunship.
I'd be happy being able to store a tad more than a Freelancer MAX if I had a some extra fire-power on the back... that said, I'd also be willing to give up firepower from the belly to cover the back.

Not sure I'd recommend hiring test to fly protection. As if you have beer they will shoot you to get you to drop the beer. If you don't have beer they might just shoot you for not having beer. If you give them all the beer to start the mission then they might just accidentally crash into you.


As for the Hercules, I agree its a great looking ship and it was hard choosing between C2 and M2. I opted for the C2 as I figured I'd be mostly flying it to bring supplies then attempting to insert a strike force against a hot landing zone. But how knows I might end up with all three.
Hey! I am more than capable of flying escort for any ship in the galaxy Mr. Sir. I'll have you know I'm the best drunken pilot in the Galaxy! I even bounced a Constellation off of Hurston once and we only lost one engine... ONE! <walks back to the mini-bar and makes another drink>
 
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I'd be happy being able to store a tad more than a Freelancer MAX if I had a some extra fire-power on the back... that said, I'd also be willing to give up firepower from the belly to cover the back.
Wait wait, you would give up 350ish or more cargo just for a little more firepower? Why on earth are you looking at a Hercules which is a large scale cargo ship by nature it just doesn't make sense to me to want a ship of this size to run cargo equivalent to a Max lol. Max = 122 cargo vs C2 = 624 or a M2 = 468. Sounds to me like you want a gun ship with a little cargo room haha.

Don't get me wrong I have an M2 myself to me its going to be my main if the game ever gets released lol. I am willing to bet before its over that Crusader adds something a little more up your alley in this dept if your not happy with the Hercules.
 
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Wait wait, you would give up 350ish or more cargo just for a little more firepower? Why on earth are you looking at a Hercules which is a large scale cargo ship by nature it just doesn't make sense to me to want a ship of this size to run cargo equivalent to a Max lol. Max = 122 cargo vs C2 = 624 or a M2 = 468. Sounds to me like you want a gun ship with a little cargo room haha.

Don't get me wrong I have an M2 myself to me its going to be my main if the game ever gets released lol. I am willing to bet before its over that Crusader adds something a little more up your alley in this dept if your not happy with the Hercules.
Well to put my comment more in context I didn't know how much space it held off the top of my head vs the Max. I grabbed the A2 because I wanted the fire-power, knew the C2 and M2 weren't what I was looking for. So to be fair, I'd give up some cargo space for some fire-power on top, or like I said move some of the lower guns to the top to provide equal coverage. I basically want a gun-ship with some cargo capacity, not C2 or M2 levels for sure, but I want the ship to have the lines of a Crusader Industries inside and out.
 

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Well to put my comment more in context I didn't know how much space it held off the top of my head vs the Max. I grabbed the A2 because I wanted the fire-power, knew the C2 and M2 weren't what I was looking for. So to be fair, I'd give up some cargo space for some fire-power on top, or like I said move some of the lower guns to the top to provide equal coverage. I basically want a gun-ship with some cargo capacity, not C2 or M2 levels for sure, but I want the ship to have the lines of a Crusader Industries inside and out.
So you are saying you want a Crusader Industries style ship with full coverage instead of ground focused coverage that can carry some cargo.

Don't have any issue with that being a new ship but not seeing and would honestly, would be a little upset if they changed the Hercules to be this. In the meantime it really does sound like you are looking for a ship very much like the Hammerhead if not for its styling.
 

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So you are saying you want a Crusader Industries style ship with full coverage instead of ground focused coverage that can carry some cargo.

Don't have any issue with that being a new ship but not seeing and would honestly, would be a little upset if they changed the Hercules to be this. In the meantime it really does sound like you are looking for a ship very much like the Hammerhead if not for its styling.
Yeah basically, but I mean to be honest, I'd be happy with the A2 if they stuck one size four or five on the top and left the rest alone. Even with ground bombing runs what's to stop a HH or Polaris from attacking me from above. If I had a big, slow gun that could at least fend them off a little it would be helpful. In space it's not hard to rotate the ship but I dislike the overwhelming blind-spot and don't see how covering that would hurt anything.

I'm also not looking for them to necessarily change the A2 and take away its current role, to be honest a 4th variant would be great with the changes I'm talking about.
 
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To be honest, if a Polaris is targeting a Hercules it would just be best for everyone involved if the Hercules rolled over and let the Polaris have its way.
 

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Well again you prolly wont see a Hercules doing bombing runs solo anyways, if there is bombing going on its most likely going to be a larger scale battle unless your bored and are just going out bombing stuff for the hell of it but it wouldn't take long for a group of players to gather and take you out anyways lol. I really think most of these ships and the game itself is built and designed for multiplayer/co-op experience outside of dogfighting and some pirate actions and maybe some gathering professions etc... most people will be rolling with additional help whether its escort ships or fleet duty soloing is not the primary objective of SC. So a ship designed for bombing runs or offloading tanks will most likely have cover above them this is why they designed the guns the way they are I personally don't mind moving a gun/turret to cover the top or maybe give an option to do that but me personally if I am doing anything combat wise with an Hercules it wont be alone.

But hell if you can bomb something and get away with I say go for it lol.
 
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Well again you prolly wont see a Hercules doing bombing runs solo anyways, if there is bombing going on its most likely going to be a larger scale battle unless your bored and are just going out bombing stuff for the hell of it but it wouldn't take long for a group of players to gather and take you out anyways lol. I really think most of these ships and the game itself is built and designed for multiplayer/co-op experience outside of dogfighting and some pirate actions and maybe some gathering professions etc... most people will be rolling with additional help whether its escort ships or fleet duty soloing is not the primary objective of SC. So a ship designed for bombing runs or offloading tanks will most likely have cover above them this is why they designed the guns the way they are I personally don't mind moving a gun/turret to cover the top or maybe give an option to do that but me personally if I am doing anything combat wise with an Hercules it wont be alone.

But hell if you can bomb something and get away with I say go for it lol.
I would definitely be flying with a group when I can, but also taking into mind people's schedules etc and that my A2 will take 8 to fully crew, I'm sure there'll be instances where I'll be in the thing without any additional cover. As for bombing runs, I'm not much of a griefer(sp) so unless there's a mission to bomb an NPC base that can be done with a single ship and its crew, I'll be in space with the thing when I can be.
 
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Lmao ya I am with you there, no griefing for me after 14 years of wow I definitely don't target people just to ruin their fun of the game, matter of fact I will go out of my way to pursue those who do.
 

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Lmao ya I am with you there, no griefing for me after 14 years of wow I definitely don't target people just to ruin their fun of the game, matter of fact I will go out of my way to pursue those who do.
Same! I've been playing MMOs since 2002, EQ, EQ2, SWG, WoW, CoH, LoTRO, SWTOR... the list goes on. Looking at the PTU last night and seeing the customization options for my 325a, makes me hope I can buy that big gun for the roof of my A2 some day. I couldn't get my ship to load in after doing the modifications to it, but I'll be doing a video and posting a screen shot soon.
 
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