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Citizencon is being repackaged as livestreaming only...

 
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I am hoping that their stated reason is the real reason behind the move...or maybe they don't think they would get people into the US (but they could have done Montreal)

My FEAR is that they are going to have a delay in SQ42, or like last year, people were be expecting more of a "we are planning on releasing SQ42 on DD/MM/2025" (come on, another 2 year meme from CR who has never forecasted a date properly??!?!?!?!)...
In other words, they are afraid that it will end up being a "don't you have phones" moment....after all, they had so many bad moments from last year anyway (no, the Galaxy won't be a base builder, we never promised that"...oh wait, we were wrong, we did promise that...It will be, but...later" to yet another "we plan on focusing on the quality and stability of the game....like they have for the past 7 years....or the near revolt that happened when they shrunk the 100 systems down to 5...

People were pissed at citizencon last year. I think they want less....exposure....in a live setting
 

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This "oh we gotta concentrate on work" smells like corpo speak for "no one here really want's to deal with this by now".

I think they shouldn't do it. Like, at all. It's pointless. Still takes away time from work and it won't have the "I was there when..." factor as all content will be pre-recorded. It'll just be like any weekly youtube vid they put out.

Instead it should be a live announcement by CR telling us to buy tickets for the SQ42 release event for x/y/2026 , a nice new fancy ad for the game, and that's it.
 

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It smells more like "We spent HOW MUCH on it last year? That life sized F7 cost whhaaaaaaaaaat . . . .?!?!" followed by "Well how much did we actually make?!" That coupled with the recent lay offs and shuttering of the LA studio and America about to enter a bear market (not to mention the headache of work visas right now), I see why a live citizen con this year is was canceled. Especially since they demonstrated they could do one digital during covid. Honestly, if it saves the backers money and helps them double down on production and development, I'm all for it.
 

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Not having one this year makes sense to me if they are planning a big event for the SQ42 release in 2026.

Having gone to a couple of them, there is no way to replace the face-to-face experience that injects new energy into both the community and developers alike. It's frackin fun, no matter how silly the displays, and being able to have an actual drink with guys that you've known online for years can't be beat.

My money's on a big shindig around the release of Squadron.. and if it happens I'll spend the money to go.
 

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Figured there would be changes after Squadron 42 crashed on CR during Citizencon ... Regardless, I agree its the right move. The live show created some pressure on the dev team to have something to show live. Now they will just highly produce the show to avoid showing those glaring issues. But Citizencon live was becoming pretty highly produced anyway.
 
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Not sure it was the crashing...although watching CR blame the computer was hilarious...I think it was more of the crunch beforehand.
Labor laws are fickle things, and employee morale is hard to grow after abusing it. CR abused both last year.
Forcing employees to work every day for multiple weeks, including Sat and Sun pushes the limits on many labor laws in the US, and I have no idea how much that was pushing the limits in the more employee friendly UK/EU.
Secondly, it absolutely destroys morale to do something like that, and CR melting down in public probably means he through an absolutely dire temper tantrum behind the scenes.
All while going through major restructuring and downsizing.
I can guarantee you that if you read the room in CIG, you probably have a bunch of employees at CIG that would not stick their necks out for Chris again this year. I think CR knows this and if he tried it...his employees would walk. To quote Jenene from Ghostbusters...I've quit better jobs than this...

Combine that with the very unhappy crowd reactions and the major mistakes/walkbacks that CIG had to do after CitizenCon 2954 (like them trying to sell us that they NEVER said the Galaxy would have a base building module, and that what they said was merely speculation and people taking what they said the wrong way), the extreme reduction in the plans for 1.0..Come on, 5 systems, including one that is pretty much rubble? Especially as they had been saying 100 systems even just a few months before CitizenCon...they killed a lot of the mood.

It's smart, because I think they now know that SQ42 in 2026 isn't going to happen. I know it will happen prior to 2028 unless CR can pull a ton of money out of his butt, but if they held CitizenCon and didn't announce a specific release date, or a least a quarter that was not Q4 2026, I think people would probably boo him off the stage.
 

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The stories I saw had CIG requiring employees to work seven days a week for two weeks in exchange for time off later.

Maybe not ideal. But its legitimacy also depends on what employment agreements and labor laws say. In small business, when its crunch time its crunch time.

Makes sense that CIG would want to avoid bad press on that again though, considering the microscope they have placed themselves under.
 
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Not sure it was the crashing...although watching CR blame the computer was hilarious...I think it was more of the crunch beforehand.
Labor laws are fickle things, and employee morale is hard to grow after abusing it. CR abused both last year.
Forcing employees to work every day for multiple weeks, including Sat and Sun pushes the limits on many labor laws in the US, and I have no idea how much that was pushing the limits in the more employee friendly UK/EU.
Secondly, it absolutely destroys morale to do something like that, and CR melting down in public probably means he through an absolutely dire temper tantrum behind the scenes.
All while going through major restructuring and downsizing.
I can guarantee you that if you read the room in CIG, you probably have a bunch of employees at CIG that would not stick their necks out for Chris again this year. I think CR knows this and if he tried it...his employees would walk. To quote Jenene from Ghostbusters...I've quit better jobs than this...

Combine that with the very unhappy crowd reactions and the major mistakes/walkbacks that CIG had to do after CitizenCon 2954 (like them trying to sell us that they NEVER said the Galaxy would have a base building module, and that what they said was merely speculation and people taking what they said the wrong way), the extreme reduction in the plans for 1.0..Come on, 5 systems, including one that is pretty much rubble? Especially as they had been saying 100 systems even just a few months before CitizenCon...they killed a lot of the mood.

It's smart, because I think they now know that SQ42 in 2026 isn't going to happen. I know it will happen prior to 2028 unless CR can pull a ton of money out of his butt, but if they held CitizenCon and didn't announce a specific release date, or a least a quarter that was not Q4 2026, I think people would probably boo him off the stage.
You are going off on a weird trip man...

I agree that the mood at CIG is probably fragile, with the upcoming release and grind and constant failure of the live PU, and CR doesn't want to risk pushing it. I agree on that point. I think they shouldn't do digital CitCon at all!
I just find your arguments very out of touch with what I'm seeing, that's all.

Unhappy Crowds? Haven't seen it. Show was a blast, everyone cheered all day, both on live feed and in chat. Now, in person if You were there, I dunno. You tell me!

5 systems was known, or at least heavily speculated, before Citcon. It's good, less time, more dense. We get a game with substance instead of a bloated corpse like ED/NMS/Starfield...

CIG was confirmed to be in the clear with labor laws.

Those who couldn't/didn't commit might get fired? So what? We need the best, not the rest. It's YOUR money being not wasted so..

Downsizing? What? Where? Who? Seriously, am I missing some news of them letting go of 200 people or something?

They moved, had a few casualities, sure. I don't think that destroyed the morale. What could have, the move itself. New place, new everything, it must have been rough. But some good bullshitter mid managment and CR should be able to mitigate that in a 5 minute speech.
They are a AAA studio, not a mom n pop shop. Those who want to work there will know this and expect that kind of treatment.
Hundreds will be let go when Squadron is done. Their contract runs out, it's the normal, expected, and healthy thing to do for a business currently employing over a thousand ppl. I wonder how the morale will look then... Oh, it won't change cos that's how it works, and been working for the past 30+ years, and it's entirely expected.

For real though I regularly talk with my buddies at Digic that went through a real downsizing due to being sold off. They were about the size of CIG now. They let go of 20-30%? 400ppl at least. They got wage cuts via cutting workdays ("voluntary" but you know where that leads, out the door next time there is downsizing), new strict rules on lunch-time activates, loads of benefits like free massage and parking and fruits and whatnot got deleted overnight. Now that, that's what tanks morale, not 12 ppl going "oh my cubicle buddy couldn't make it over" in a company of 1200.

Crunch is normal, expected, and accepted. Digital "artists" aka everyone who does games, programming or CG for movies or ads and such, are a different breed, we got passion, dedication, substance abuse and arguably some brain damage, so we even like it! Up to a point. Crunch wouldn't tank morale in itself, especially because it was worth it. The crowds cheered, the demos rocked, the presentations slayed. Get your head out of reddits ass and smell the real world. CitCon 2024 was a success.

I do hope you are wrong on the 2026 release not being a thing. It has to be, or there will be pitchforks, whether digital or not.
 

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Well, obviously there will not be a Citizen Con.
They need all men, women and resources for the Squadron 41.5 release event!
It's an event so big, so grandiose... the preparation will take a few years.
Maybe... 2 or so.. ?
 
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