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Until more tests get rolled out, US numbers will appear to be low, but that does not mean the virus is not making the rounds.
Will the test really help? Like fluenza many people might be sick and recover without any test.
I dont know by how many times the figure really are, in December they already said for China it might be 10-12 times the known cases. In most countries they simply lack the health care system to be able to count a single case. Some country bordering China (that i wont mention, not its not North Korea, far bigger) had just 2 cases till last month...

Having the news constantly speaking about it is not helping, this mass-hysteria is beyond me. In comparison fluenza its 1 billion infected a year, and 200-600k deaths. Covid is a little kid in comparison, just need to check the map here :

 
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NVIDIA has shifted GTC 2020 to an online event due to the growing concern over the coronavirus.

GTC Digital delivers all the great training, research, insights, and direct access to the brilliant minds you’ve come to expect from the GPU Technology Conference—now online.


I fully expect more of these events to be moved to online only.
 
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So the Wife and I have worked out what we need to hunker down for a month basically. As we see it, if I catch it, and I very well could have it already, I would have to quarantine my self for 2 weeks, then possibly an additional 2 weeks for the rest of my family depending on when they start showing symptoms. We have plenty of food to cover us for a month, but we were starting to wonder how we were going to wipe our asses since Toilet Paper has suddenly turned into a hot commodity. Thankfully she found a month's worth at Office Depot of all places today, she also found medicine to mitigate cold and flu symptoms so the only thing left is to stock up on alcohol. I'm figuring a case of wine for the Wife, a few bottles of Whiskey, maybe a nice Gin or two and my standard Costco Vodka.

Question... Have they said anything about what happens after you've had it? Are you immune at that point or can you get it again?
 

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Having the news constantly speaking about it is not helping, this mass-hysteria is beyond me. In comparison fluenza its 1 billion infected a year, and 200-600k deaths. Covid is a little kid in comparison, just need to check the map here :
Everybody in Italy will disagree with you.

Having the news encourage people.. or even freaking them out a bit so they avoid travel, crowds and public places for the next few weeks will do a lot of good in slowing down rates of new infections. Italy got hit hard because a lot of people all got infected at the same time, this caused the hospitals to get overloaded, they simply ran out of beds. If you think this can not happen in the States, then you are about to get a big surprise.

Comparing COVID-19 to the seasonal flu is implying that infection rates and fatality rates are the same. This is NOT incorrect.

COVID-19 may transmit closely to the normal flu, but fatality rates are much higher!



IMO, "freaking out" and cancelling events, travel and public gathers IS the correct thing to do right now, not later after infections are getting out of control.
 

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So the Wife and I have worked out what we need to hunker down for a month basically. As we see it, if I catch it, and I very well could have it already, I would have to quarantine my self for 2 weeks, then possibly an additional 2 weeks for the rest of my family depending on when they start showing symptoms. We have plenty of food to cover us for a month, but we were starting to wonder how we were going to wipe our asses since Toilet Paper has suddenly turned into a hot commodity. Thankfully she found a month's worth at Office Depot of all places today, she also found medicine to mitigate cold and flu symptoms so the only thing left is to stock up on alcohol. I'm figuring a case of wine for the Wife, a few bottles of Whiskey, maybe a nice Gin or two and my standard Costco Vodka.

Question... Have they said anything about what happens after you've had it? Are you immune at that point or can you get it again?

Mmm Costco Vodka, their spice rum is not half bad either. In fact, we just picked up their Silver Tequila for a party this weekend will see how well it goes down.

As for the immunity I have not been able to find anything beyond speculation saying that its like other flu viruses that you are immune to the strain you catch and are partially immune to variants of the strain with in the same family. That the main issue is mostly due to this strain having not really been in circulation and so it's hitting harder than normal. The other speculation is that its fully expected to be included in this falls flu shot which should help everyone who doesn't get it.
 

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Mmm Costco Vodka, their spice rum is not half bad either. In fact, we just picked up their Silver Tequila for a party this weekend will see how well it goes down.
That vodka is soooo smoooth. I haven't tried the spiced rum or the Tequila yet, I need to give those a try.
 

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Having the news encourage people.. or even freaking them out a bit so they avoid travel, crowds and public places for the next few weeks will do a lot of good in slowing down rates of new infections.

Comparing COVID-19 to the seasonal flu is implying that infection rates and fatality rates are the same. This is NOT incorrect.

COVID-19 may transmit closely to the normal flu, but fatality rates are much higher!
Rereading my post i thought i should have clarified ;)
I do not disagree at all with actions taken to counter it, closing events, people staying at home and so on. I live in Europe so i am all for those measures since we do not have borders control between member states.

I simply note that people are overreacting. Stockpiling a bit for a few weeks is ok, but massively rushing to the store is a side effect of this constant babbling in the news. People should have been educated properly on how to react and not to do it by instinct of survival. Thousands of business have already and will suffer because of that. In France we had shortage of medical supplies because people went massively buying masks, disinfectant and so on, when masks are most useful to not spread the virus if you are yourself infected, not the opposite. The state had to put a ban on those product for public so hospitals do not go too low with their stocks.

And again fatalities ratio are based on the known infected figure. Aside from those 80k that have been infected in China, how many have never been reported, not even speaking of tested there before early February policy change in the counting ? There were so many news in early January of people being repressed from going to the hospital in China. Who can know from those people those that were infected by Covid, or those by the flu?
Till this month, Russia and India had only 2 cases reported, do you think this is realistic considering the close business ties between those countries with China? Kazakhstan is still at 0, Ukraine at 1 for 2 months, Turkey 1. In Myanmar it is still zero. In almost all countries over the world that have lacking health infrastructures it is still zero. Less than a handful were reported in whole Africa still in February (only in Egypt then), when China has huge interest there and no travel ban were in place from those countries with China.

On the other hand, once the virus has reached Europe, we had a spike after a few weeks, because the health system is much more efficient to measure that.

Considering this, if you multiply the actual figure in China just by 10, or put in the balance all those countries that have almost close to zero infected but that have very close ties to China, the math changes. I guess we will know better what the fatality ratio is next year since specialists say it will come back next winter again, and by then we will be more prepared probably.
 
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And again fatalities ratio are based on the known infected figure. Aside from those 80k that have been infected in China, how many have never been reported, not even speaking of tested there before early February policy change in the counting ?
South Korea tested 140,000 people, which was a much broader segment of the population that included healthy and infected people.

The stats from S Korea show a 0.6% fatality rate for COVID-19.

The seasonly flu comes in around 0.1%, so COVID-19 is a lot more deadly than the flu!
 

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South Korea tested 140,000 people, which was a much broader segment of the population that included healthy and infected people.

The stats from S Korea show a 0.6% fatality rate for COVID-19.

The seasonly flu comes in around 0.1%, so COVID-19 is a lot more deadly than the flu!
This is true for South Korea, a country with a good health system. What about all those countries in the rest of the world that cant match those standards. We will know better i guess in the future with global figures. I am not arguing about the number at all, in my opinion it is too early for that, and it was not the goal of my post, i wanted to point the fact that Covid is still much uncharted territory, and we should let the scientists and the politician handle this, not the media. But i can safely bet that in a few years from now, people will react to Covid like they do with fluenza.
 
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US has cut off all Travel to EU.

Also a bunch of emergency actions because of other stuff.

"Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate" -M. Leavitt




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View: https://twitter.com/tomhanks/status/1237909897020207104


EDIT2:

To add to that graph @Montoya This should give you an idea of how bad things really are. Johns Hopkins epidemiologist.


View: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1237897358140039168
 
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