Golden Rules

[Azmodeth]

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Golden_Rules

-OR-

Be able to afford a loss

• Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can't afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit.

Consent to PvP

• You consent to PvP when you click "undock".
• You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.
• In most cases, the only way to be 100% safe from agression inside the game is to be docked in a station. Being cloaked in a secret safespot could work too.

Everyone can scam - and so can you

• Never grant corporation rights to stuff you can't afford to lose either. No exceptions.
• People offering free stuff? Probably traps. Be cautious.
• Free stuff usually isn't. Not even minerals you mine yourself.
• If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Paranoia pays off here. Double-check everything.
• Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.
• Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference.

Experience matters, not ISK or Skills

• Just because some character is just a few minutes old doesn't mean he's a newbie. Many people have alts. The reverse is also possible, people come back after very long breaks, and characters are sold. You could see year-old newbies around too.
• Skills that take less than 1 day to train are short skills. Over one week is long.
• You're in this game for the long haul. Don't expect to do something meaningful in the grand scheme of things in the first day of your first trial account ever.
• All other things being equal (experience, skills), superior numbers more often win a fight rather than superior ship value. However, things are hardly ever equal.
• Total skillpoints count doesn't matter much either, it's level of relevant skills to the current situation that does. Yes, that does mean a 2 mil SP combat-oriented newbie could badly beat up a 60 mil SP industry-oriented veteran.

Bigger is not always better

• More expensive stuff is not always better stuff.
• Slightly better stuff usually costs many times more than slightly worse stuff. Choose wisely.
• Tech-2 is usually cheaper and better, but harder to fit. Sometimes it's not better. Other times it's not cheaper. And occasionally, neither cheaper nor better.
• There are no "solopwnmobiles" in EVE. Everything you can fly blows up if it's shot hard enough.
• With enough skills and experience, ship size really doesn't matter all that much.

Use the in-game info

• Show Info and Variants->Compare are your best friends. Use it on all stuff you can.
• Always check your ship insurance before you undock. If it's a T2 ship however... not that important.

Unfair circumstances?

• There is no such thing as "a fair fight" or "an unfair fight". There's only a fight. Circumstances are irrelevant.
• Just because you can fly something doesn't mean you should.

You will lose stuff, don't worry!

• If you PvP long enough, you will lose your ship. It's only a matter of where and when.
• If you logoff in space without a PvP timer, you're only safe after 2 minutes... and then only until you log back in. If you logoff with a PvP timer, it's at least 15 minutes. Bottom line, once a fight started, don't logoff. You'll only die anyway.
• Somebody, somewhere has better skills than you, more experience than you, is smarter than you, has more friends than you and can stay online longer than you. Just pray he's not out to get you.
• If you lose stuff, it's almost always your fault. Really, only yours.

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Now, that is much more transparent about the EVE universe then they used to let on.
I wonder if SC will have something similar in the long run. Thoughts ? Discuss!

 

[mindfart]

k.

 

[RipVanDan]

 

[Enoch Lost]

http://imgur.com/height%3D184%3Bid%3DutGepBa%3Btype%3Dgifv%3Bwidth%3D245

 

[Reptar Khan]

Im'na be a pirate in SC, but I'll definitely be like Han!

 

[NeoHelios_SC]

This is all good and fine... For Eve Online. But this is not Eve Online; this is Star Citizen, and honestly I wish people would stop trying to make Star Citizen out to be Eve 2.0. Star Citizen is its own thing, and that's okay!

Edit: maybe you were simply posting the unofficial rules for EO, and that's cool. Very interesting, thanks; glad I don't have to deal with many of those points in the other games I play. . I initially heard what I wanted to hear, and interpreted it as some kind of take on "this is what we ought to do". Apologies if I jumped the gun & misunderstood.

 

[Lockhearts]

I don't play EVE anymore, you can't control me !

 

[AntiSqueaker]

Golden Rules for TEST for the Star Citizen Persistent Universe

1) Don't be a dick to TEST members
2) Have being a merchant/pirate/escort/miner/explorer/medic/slaver/smuggler/marine/racer and/or anything else I forgot
3) When in doubt, refer to rules 1 and 2.

 

[NeoHelios_SC]

TEST Piracy Rules

1) You do not talk about piracy in TEST.
2) You DO NOT talk about piracy in TEST!
3) If a fellow TEST member says stop, ship goes non-responsive, a duel is over.
4) Only one TEST fleet engages a piracy mark at a time.
5) Only one drinking contest at a time.
6) No friendly fire, no sobriety!
7) Boardings will go on as long as they have to.
8) If this is your first act of piracy in TEST, you HAVE to board the mark!

for reference:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules+of+Fight+Club

 

[Reptar Khan]

TEST Piracy Rules

1) You do not talk about piracy in TEST.
2) You DO NOT talk about piracy in TEST!
3) If a fellow TEST member says stop, ship goes non-responsive, a duel is over.
4) Only one TEST fleet engages a piracy mark at a time.
5) Only one drinking contest at a time.
6) No friendly fire, no sobriety!
7) Boardings will go on as long as they have to.
8) If this is your first act of piracy in TEST, you HAVE to board the mark!

for reference:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rules+of+Fight+Club

You TEST 'Not' Piracy wants You!

 

[NeoHelios_SC]

Is selling Eve characters for cash still a thing? I see at least one site that seems to do it, but it doesn't seem very active; only about 50 characters for sale: playerauctions.com ... ebay?

Thoughts?

 

[Khad]

Don't eat off the floor unless it is a very clean floor.

 

[Maxgerber5250]

If the SHITF start shooting! If you don`t know what to shoot, find out where every one else is shooting and shoot in that direction.
If every one is shooting at you, You are Primary!

 

[WarrenPeace]

I'll multitask drinking contests if I fucking want to! Ensign, stand by with the stomach pump!

 

[Unshaven]

Golden Rules for TEST for the Star Citizen Persistent Universe

1) Don't be a dick to TEST members
2) Have being a merchant/pirate/escort/miner/explorer/medic/slaver/smuggler/marine/racer and/or anything else I forgot
3) When in doubt, refer to rules 1 and 2.

2) Have ____________ being a merchant/pirate/.............

A- fun
B- a beer, while
C- fun and many beers while
D- ?

 

[COUGARHUNTER]

Seems like no one gives a shit about the rules

 

[Azmodeth]

The reason I posted that stuff, is well, in EVE there are no rules in space without the space police. I think In SC its going to be the same, because it was the PLAYERS and their emergent game play that evolved into what it is now. Maybe not at first, but I think it will become dog eat dog in space without rules/laws/enforcement.

If players can get away with it, they will do it. I know CIG plans to have something that will deter this, but they really haven't given much of a way of how thats getting done. In EVE as an example, in lawful space, you get instantly killed by godlike CONCORD, and it has become a bannable offense to be able to survive, or "TANK" them too, since one guy managed to tank them effectively for a few hours once in JITA system.

 

[Reptar Khan]

The reason I posted that stuff, is well, in EVE there are no rules in space without the space police. I think In SC its going to be the same, because it was the PLAYERS and their emergent game play that evolved into what it is now. Maybe not at first, but I think it will become dog eat dog in space without rules/laws/enforcement.

If players can get away with it, they will do it. I know CIG plans to have something that will deter this, but they really haven't given much of a way of how thats getting done. In EVE as an example, in lawful space, you get instantly killed by godlike CONCORD, and it has become a bannable offense to be able to survive, or "TANK" them too, since one guy managed to tank them effectively for a few hours once in JITA system.

I believe that CIG won't be that draconian, they should work it into the game instead. TEST PALS steal a UEE Pegasus Carrier now we all get embossed UEE Kill on Sight warrants we can frame for our hanger & an NPC pirate gang approaches us to sell it to them & that area that was being policed is now having increased pirate raids.

I'm sure many of the devs play Eve so they are probably quite aware of the issues (& hopefully plan solutions into the game mechanics)
Judging by their todate attention to detail my concern is low.

 

[Krystal LeChuck]

Besides the fact that THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE I have to point out one very specific thing:

Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics.

^^ Scamming and unethical behaviour are for GOONS, not TEST. Unless you consider a space boot up your space butt a reward.

 

[Azmodeth]

Besides the fact that THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE I have to point out one very specific thing:



^^ Scamming and unethical behaviour are for GOONS, not TEST. Unless you consider a space boot up your space butt a reward.

Morally bancrupt people will try and scam and do unethical things ingame, just be careful, thats all i can say. I am not saying TEST or any other ORG is about illegal stuff or whatnot, but it will happen, its unknown what the response to it will be from INGAME.