Idris needs some serious balancing

[Esctasy]

I really don't know where they found their Evocati testers, but they aren't very good at testing.
Yesterday, I solo the Idris. Took some 45 seconds to kill it.
Today, I soloed another Idris in under 35 seconds, with 1 torp left over.
It is ridiculous that you have thousands of testers and still we get people soloing Idris.

They had the S9 missiles just right in 3.11. And then they gave it a 300% damage boost.. Why the heck did they do that!?

Edit:
I realize now it's not the testers so I take the above back. But I still stand that CIG messed up increasing the damage on the S9 torps.

 

[maynard]

more Idrises exploding on Twitch streams = more free publicity for Star Citizen

there will be many balance passes to come

 

[Montoya]

Yesterday, I solo the Idris. Took some 45 seconds to kill it.

What?

How?

We were in and took 5-7 of us over 25min.

 

[Esctasy]

It started a couple of days ago when myself and 3 other testies took out the Idris in probably 1 or 2 mins.
This is when I realize it only takes 6 S9 torps to sink the Idris. Yesterday I tested it out and it worked.
This morning the mission popped on my 2nd account so I did it again, this time it only took 5 torps.

You just need 5-6 S9 torps to hit at around 3k range. If you angle it so you are hitting the side of the ship it does more damage than the front of the ship.
They really messed up the S9 torps by giving them a 300% damage boost.

Edit:
Don't use the stock Argos missiles, they are terrible, they travel at half the speed and miss quite often.
Not to mention 5sec lock instead of 12sec lock.

 

[Tei]

Can you take video of it next time?

 

[Esctasy]

yeah sure, cig will love this one. What software do I use to do videos?

 

[Montoya]

They really messed up the S9 torps by giving them a 300% damage boost.

BUT, they are much easier to shoot down.

 

[Esctasy]

BUT, they are much easier to shoot down.

They are only easy to shoot down if you decide to launch them at 6k plus range. They never get shot down at 3-4k range.

In fact, they don't even shoot down your missiles. You just randomly miss the greater your distance. This is easy to test with an Eclipse stealth torping a Hammerhead. At 6.5k range even though the Hammerhead is idle (doesn't detect you and not shooting) you will still miss (not because it shoots your missiles).

I'm just uploading the video to utube now, it was so simple to record. Just press windows key and G hahaha

 

[Tei]

yeah sure, cig will love this one. What software do I use to do videos?

Plenty good options.
Personally I like OBS, open source with great community behind, loads of options to customize recorded audio and video, but works well "stright out of the box".

 

[Esctasy]

Admittedly I was quite nervous during this fight because I was recording it. I made a critical mistake on my first straff leaving me too close to the Idris. This more than doubled the time it took me the last times because in the end I have to make another round trip to get the last missile out. Also on the last time I never needed to launch that last missile.

But yes I swear it took less than 35 seconds this morning.

Sorry for the long beginning, it's my first game video so didn't want to bugger it up.

View: https://youtu.be/2bgtiVHPKfA

 

[Tei]

Thanks for clip.
Time is relative. It's just dumb that one Tally can solo kill Idris M.

 

[Ayeteeone]

I really don't know where they found their Evocati testers, but they aren't very good at testing.
Yesterday, I solo the Idris. Took some 45 seconds to kill it.
Today, I soloed another Idris in under 35 seconds, with 1 torp left over.
It is ridiculous that you have thousands of testers and still we get people soloing Idris.

They had the S9 missiles just right in 3.11. And then they gave it a 300% damage boost.. Why the heck did they do that!?

Are you aware that there are a number of TEST members who are Evocati? And that your Glorious Leader was one for years, until he gave it all up to seek greater fame and fortune?

 

[Esctasy]

Are you aware that there are a number of TEST members who are Evocati? And that your Glorious Leader was one for years, until he gave it all up to seek greater fame and fortune?

ah, my bad. Didn't mean to criticize the testers, they were not at fault for cracking 300% damage to the S9 torps. My apologies.

 

[Sirus7264]

ah, my bad. Didn't mean to criticize the testers, they were not at fault for cracking 300% damage to the S9 torps. My apologies.

haha not your fault no need to apologize they should have caught that.

 

[Ayeteeone]

ah, my bad. Didn't mean to criticize the testers, they were not at fault for cracking 300% damage to the S9 torps. My apologies.

No worries.. just felt it might be a worthwhile thing to point out.

Took a good look at your video.. nicely done! I'm going to go a short way out on the limb and suggest that the shields on that particular NPC are not full military, or at least are undervalue. It would keep with CIG's approach for new content to have it much weaker than intended in the initial release.

This level of play is a looooooong way from balanced. So enjoy the fact that you soloed an Idris :)

Edit: The demos we've seen of the Jav shooting down torpedos happened at much closer range, so there may be a choice in NPC abilities which is allowing this to happen.

 

[Cugino83]

Admittedly I was quite nervous during this fight because I was recording it. I made a critical mistake on my first straff leaving me too close to the Idris. This more than doubled the time it took me the last times because in the end I have to make another round trip to get the last missile out. Also on the last time I never needed to launch that last missile.

But yes I swear it took less than 35 seconds this morning.

Sorry for the long beginning, it's my first game video so didn't want to bugger it up.

View: https://youtu.be/2bgtiVHPKfA

I can see the issue here abount how easy is the kill... Problem is not that it take "only" 5-6 S9 torp to take it dawn, I think that is correct, the problem is that a solo player, with a fairly big ship, is able to get at 3Km from the Idris without any interference and fire them... for multiple time. Where are the escort fighters that are suppose to protect the idris to avoid that solo player to came that close?

With the current state of the server where the escort spawn several minutes after the main target the whole balance is FUBAR, there is no point to argue anything else: a solo Idris whitout any escorts is rightely suppose to be an easy target... thats why they call them escorts right?

 

[Esctasy]

The Idris has 2 Cutlass Black and 1 Sabre to escort it. It doesn't matter, I've killed it the same way with full escort spawns. I will try and make a video of full escort on my next popup. The escorts don't do any damage, their missiles are easily dodged.

Above I said the Idris doesn't shoot down your missiles, I take it back. It does shoot your missiles, but there is also a random chance you will miss if you launch from 6k+ away. And it doesn't seem to shoot your missiles if you launch closer than 3.5k.

You can still miss launching from close because your missiles are terrible at following the target, so you have to wait until the momentum of the Idris is moving towards you when you launch, if it's moving even semi perpendicular to you then sometimes your missiles will not follow.

My last 4 kills, launched 23 missiles, 23 hits. I have missed often in the past while learning though.

 

[Esctasy]

Hahaha I love making videos! I didn't know they were this easy to make.
In this video all escorts are spawned. You can see them shooting at me, but not much damage. Even their missiles don't hurt too bad. In the end I still walked away without a scratch on my bomber.

View: https://youtu.be/mnzi9d3YySk

 

[WaterShield]

Wacky balance, will likely be fixed

 

[FZD]

Great that you found the joys of video making :D

Also, HA! I knew you could probably solo Idris with something.
Hmm... from your vid, we can see it has less than 433k shield hp per shield face.
Hmm, I guess it's actually using the same capital shields as 890 for now, would make sort of sense.
Or maybe it has its own shields already, but they just have greater regen, not hp than the ones on 890.

I guess the hull has something like 1500000 HP then, if the least amount you've needed was 5 torps.