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makute

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the records are sketchy in the extreme—hardly enough to hold such strong opinions.
"After Franco's triumph in Spain's 1936-1939 civil war, many children were removed from families identified by the fascist regime as left-wing and given to families considered more deserving."

"In the immediate aftermath of the 1936-1939 Spanish Civil War won by Franco's Nationalists, babies were initially taken from left-wing Republican opponents of the regime to prevent them from passing on the Marxist "gene" to their children.
But from the 1950s onwards the scheme was expanded to include children born out of wedlock or into large or poor families. Trafficked infants would have been too young to realise their fate, with estimates suggesting there could be thousands of victims Jose Jordan AFP
Doctors played a key role, with women told their babies had died shortly after delivery but never given any proof. Then the newborns were passed on to couples unable to have children, many of them close to Franco's National Catholic regime.
The Catholic Church was often complicit in the scheme which aimed to ensure the children would be raised by affluent, conservative and devout Roman Catholic families."


It is what the church made it. You are kidding yourself that it comes from something else.
Brian A. Catlos is a Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado Boulder:
"Islam has a very interesting approach to religious diversity, slightly different from how it usually works in Christianity. Traditional Christianity emphasises that there can only be one truth, the Christian truth, and whatever version there may be of that is the version established by those in power. On the other hand, Islam also believes there is one truth—in this case, revealed by Prophet Muhammad—but it also recognises that even if Jewish and Christian beliefs differ, they worship the same God, so their intentions must be essentially good. As a result, Jews and Christians had certain rights under Muslim rule during the medieval period. Now, this is not to say that they were equal citizens. But even though they were a subordinate group, they had rights that had to be respected to ensure their participation in society. This was the foundation of what some historians call convivencia, living together, which characterised much of the period under Islamic rule."

"Agriculture has been one of the central pillars of development of the world’s great civilisations and the agriculture of Al-Andalus made a key contribution to the advance of wellbeing in the western world.
Prior to the arrival of the Arabs in Spain, agriculture had been based on a trio of crops, namely cereals, olives and vines. When the Arabs settled in Spain, they greatly enriched local farming with the introduction of other cereals (rice, sorghum), other vegetables (aubergines, artichokes, spinach and cardoons), other fruit trees (almonds, fig trees, mulberries, date palms, and citrus fruits) and other textile plants (cotton, hemp). They also used aromatic, medicinal, and ornamental plants.
We should not forget that the increased variety of plant species was accompanied by the development of new methods of cultivation and the expansion of irrigation systems. The Arabs also perfected new methods for catching and storing subterranean and surface water and developed systems for terracing, draining and improving land."


"Occupation of the cities of Alexandria and Gundishapur put the Arabs into contact with original Greco-Latin manuscrips, which were assimilated and divulged by Islamic scientists in the middle-eastern caliphates of Damascus and Bagdad as well as the western caliphates of Al Andalus (Spain) and Kairwan (Tunis). This classical hippocratico-galenico medicine was refashioned into the so-called arabized galenism, which markedly influenced the Scholastics and the cultured world of the lower Middle Ages and became the basis of European medicine until well into the Renaissance period."

with no education in the matter...
Before you ask, I'm not Islamic, I'm atheist. The reason I'm atheist is because, as opposed to most Catholics, I took the time to read the Bible and learn all I could about its beliefs. Then I decided to not be constricted by faith and dogmas, but freed by reason and facts.

And now I decide to no allow you to insult me anymore.

Nice ninja edit, by the way.
 
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Yex

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Usually, I do not engage in politic talk unprompted, specially online; but I feel the need to counter your obviously biased argument: 455.389 victims of catholic priests paedophiles just on my country alone.

View: https://youtu.be/iz2qgzix7DU?si=1hDR0Tgy0Y6aFuI4
Uck noo fucking priests like; it was grim growing up with that shite. We made a comedy skit out of it it was that bad.


Damn he got us there, boys.

We’re pretty shitty conspiracy theorists though. After all we did miss that bit on 400k children trafficked into the country by Biden and killed. Probably for their Adrenochrones or whatever. Good thing Shadow’s here to set us straight. Bless him.
You do make me laugh, I had nothing to add but to say I appreciate your responses

There is nothing in the teachings, oral, written or traditions of The Church, that supports rape as justice
It's oddly frequent however, I would say power corrupts - and nothing gives more power to common people than belief.
When he was alive my "grandfather in law" (not a thing) frequently reminded us that we "came from a rib" and where made in "man's image", usually before telling one of us to go make him food.
It's not the words on the page, but the interpretation that is key. You do not have to speak it, but standing idle while it happens.. Well, idle hands and all that.

The reason I'm atheist is because, as opposed to most Catholics, I took the time to read the Bible and learn all I could about its beliefs.
On a side note; King James edition makes excellent rolley paper. I'm not sure if that will translate well, but we read it too before we smoked it


^example but I think that's probably weed, we just used baccy
 
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Shadow Reaper

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Well, I will not dispute the bit about Franco except to say my opinions ended when I read that there are no records. If people want to believe in 300,000 babies stollen with no records, that’s up to them. I can’t call that rational. I don’t like fascists and I don’t like Franco, but given no records it’s not okay to blame him for more than what we actually know about, IMHO. It’s like having strong opinions about Druids, when they left us no records. Make up whatever you like but leave me out of it.

Your religious quotes about what is Western Civilization are pretty bad. Seems you chose a source out of synch with most historians. If, for example; you were to search something like “the three pillars of Western Civilization” you would get:
1) the Judeo-Christian tradition
2) Democracy
3) Reason
Most historians do not include Democracy since most of Western Civilization is Republican, not Democratic. Plato nicely put an end to direct Democracies 2400 years ago. Likewise some historians include private property ownership and capitalism, but these come from both the Judeo-Christian tradition and the Greek, so no point giving them their own platform. The simplest and best formulation is revelation from Jerusalem and reason from Athens. You’ll find they meet in the Apostle Paul’s second missionary journey in Acts chapter 17. That changed everything.

While no one can doubt the influence of Islam on Western Civilization, it does not come in the top ten, despite centuries of rulership in places like Spain. The Influence of John Scotus on Charlemagne and eventually the Magna Carta and English Common Law is far greater. He is in the top ten.

The crazy in your post is entirely in the bit about there is one Christian truth and it is determined by those in power. I doubt there was ever a Christian who believed such a thing. That’s crazy. Have you ever met anyone who believed that the people in power determine the truth? I haven’t.

I do not respect your education. I have degrees with majors in Biblical Theology, Systematic Theology and Philosophy, and I can smell the excuses miles away. You are full of hate. You did not need to come out as an atheist. It’s obvious.

In my experience, the Apostle Paul and Jesus are both entirely correct that you are without excuse (Romans 1) and that if you do not believe the Law and the Prophets, you will not believe even if someone is raised from the dead. (Luke 16)

That’s your choice. It is a moral one so don’t kid yourself. It is nothing like rational to believe that everything came from nothing.
 
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Yex

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So can we just summarize as I only show up here once in a while;


- Shadow will be stumbling around in the dark looking for a usb C (thanks eu) charger
- Naff according to statistics has become a statistic, sorry friend, The FOOKN Sun says so :'(
- Makute continues to seem more educated than all of us (did you see those long ass words??)
- Aram apparently ready to start World War Moose in what I assume is a newfie log cabin.
And finally,
- Mud; deep breaths; pan pipe music; it's all ok ((guys the last time a German got mad it didn't end well be nice))

Edit: Did "you know you work for us" really not make you scream even a lil @Shadow Reaper
 

Aramsolari

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- Aram apparently ready to start World War Moose in what I assume is a newfie log cabin.
Ha! as a matter of fact I'm on the other side of Newfoundland. Believe it or not as a resident of the UK, you're actually closer to those crazy Newfies than us on the Pacific West coast! It actually took me over 8 hours to fly from Vancouver to St. Johns the last and only time I went there.

Beautiful Province though. It's like Ireland, but cheaper.
 
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- Naff according to statistics has become a statistic, sorry friend, The FOOKN Sun says so :'(
Haha! Whenever anyone mentions that publication I'm always reminded that an entire city has boycotted it for 36 years and counting.
 
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