Dirtbag_Leader
Grand Admiral
Yeah but unless something changes drastically, neither of those will fit in your BMM or Polaris hangar! So I still thing you need a little Gladius or Hornet or even a 300er or something like that to carry along for local use in those big ships. And I agree LTI be damned for a little thing like that, and even planning to earn one in-game with UEC is probably fine, I'm just saying to make sure it's covered in your overall plan!
Love it, just one question, would It be worth upgrading the 600i Touring to an Explorer for $10 Warbond?
Dirtbag_Leader
Grand Admiral
Jeez, I personally would think so! IMO Explorer has a lot more intersting going for it than the silly Touring variant, but hey just one Testie's opinion!
Lololololz. "finally satsfied". I said that 3 accounts and 8 grand ago . . .
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Shadow Reaper
Space Marshal
The trouble with this has always been the Polaris was slated for a single Large shield instead of Cap class. However, first analysis of the Odyssey already has players wondering of CIG won't need to upgrade the Polaris shield since it is bigger than the Odyssey and is a dedicated military ship. That may be true. Likewise i would not be surprised if the Polaris chin mount doesn't go to S6 with a flack/canister launcher as proposed back several years ago, to shoot down missiles, torps and small fighters.
Everything is subject to change...even after a ship is released.
The Carrack expanded in size. Likewise the Merchantmen received quite the boost in terms of size and capabilities. I'll expect CIG to revisit the Polaris as well based on the game's needs and how the ship will fair to it's competitors.
I do agree. At the very least, it must be more powerful than similar sized ships like the Carrack and the Odyssey. I expect the Polaris to be equal to the Merchantman defensively and it's superior offensively. Otherwise what's the point when the other ships probably have more utility?
We'll definitely know when the ship leaves White Box stage and moves on to the next stage of development.
Not sure the 600 Explorer is better than the Corsair for exploring and even if it was there is no point in the overlap. Not sure the touring is going to be useful in the verse (still not selling mine) but it has the potential to have its own game loops.
My question about a medivac ship is this. You have these people respawning on your medivac, are they able to call a ship from it? or are they grounded till you get to port so they can call one?
That sir, is a VERY good question.
For that matter, ships with docks/pads, like the Kraken, will you be able to spawn ships there?
We're going to have to have some way to spawn ships in the dark reaches of space, aren't we? Or will we need to plan enough in advance that if something horrible happens, we have redundancy with us?
The questions . ..
I'm thinking that When I have my Medivac in game & I'm using it to help heal or resurrect TESTies during combat activities, that I'll require them to store at least a case of beer in the ships storage for themselves before they can log into the beds, because hangovers suck & I wager waking up from being dead has to be a bit like a massive hangover. Hair of the dog saves others from dealing with you bitching because of hangover healing symptoms. Cheers!
Calling of ships like we currently do is going away. They have said that everything is physicalized the only exception seems to be with public ports where they do not physically have the size needed to store everyone's ships and so it's going to act sort of like it does now in that you can summon ships that exist at that port and they will be placed in a hanger for you. What is not known is if the personal hanger will grow/shrink to fit all of your ships or will act like the ports hanger in that you can spawn a ship into your hangar that is stored there. They have talked about ships with hangars having a spawning option but it's unknown if it's a temporary enhancement to work around current limitations within the game or if they want it to be a feature to allow you to place ships that are within the same area to be quickly added. In some ways it goes against the design docs of everything being physical and thus is the source of confusion. As for out in space, ships like the Kraken, Idris and Endeavor in theory would only have the ships that someone parked in them and would not be spawning / despawning ships. This does get messy when you think about another player landing their ship on yours then logging out in their bed. When they come back into the game where would they spawn in. The final takeaway would be while it's not known I would bet that ships parked in/on other ships landing pads will remain physicalized in-game as long as the parent ship does and will be tied to that ship until it's unlocked. That I will not be able to wake up on your Kraken and summon my Gladius that I had last parked in Lorville. But my Hornet that I had parked on pad 3 will still be there tieing up pad 3 since you didn't want to ditch it yesterday when I logged out. But you're frustrated as it was preventing another player from using the pad to land their Mustang before joining you on a mission.
Another topic of consideration is if tier 2 beds will always act like spawn points or if that feature will move to tier 1. I have a feeling that tier 2 can act as a spawn if another player drags your body back to it.
Ploeperpengel
Space Marshal
All big ships come with loaner fighters for Arena Commander. He currently should have Arrow, Buccaneer, 325a, Vanguard Harbinger and Defender. Don't see how a Hornet could add much to that ;)
Edit: oh and Cutlass Red but unsure whether that will stay after release of the medivac
Han Burgundy
Space Marshal
I didn't realize that arena commander was the end goal here...
As for the universe side of things, you don't get to keep your loaners, so relying on them is not a viable strategy.
Ploeperpengel
Space Marshal
Arena Commander loaners are flyable in the persistent universe. I know of no plans to abolish AC anytime soon if ever - they even improved it right now after all. Even a "finished" game needs a tutorial and since you can't play the tutorial which is AC in a Caterpillar i.e. it's quite likely a Caterpillar owner get's to keep his Buccanner loaner for the foreseeable future.
Loaners as replacements for concepts is a different thing to secondary loaners that enable you to play all game modes. If or how that will change we don't know.
I think it's safe to say that those loaners will go away in time, the only thing we don't know is whether it's next month, next year (which is also next month. Ermh) or later. Yes, you can take loaners into account while planning an interim fleet for this patch or the next, but you shouldn't do any long term plans around them.
Ploeperpengel
Space Marshal
There is a possibility that some might change or go away in the sense they might only be available in AC but not the PU anymore at some point - or maybe not. But I won't be severely handicapped if I don't buy a small ship even then. Because you can simply buy them in game if you need them with just a couple of trade flights with a Cat i.e.
It's even less necessary with ground vehicles. You can buy a cyclone in game for less than 30K AUEC. No point to buy one for money other than to use it as an LTI Token maybe.
A Cutlass Black is a mere 1.3mil atm. You can rent a cutlass for allmost nothing and earn it relatively fast - unless bugs destroy your profit. With a big ship it's almost effortless.
My long term plan is to avoid the hard grind. Therefore I really only need a couple of big ships I don't want to work hard for to own them (I probably won't need most of them in game as well because I can't really make use of them on my own anyway).
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No, there is definitely no 'maybe' about it.
But where will you get the money to do the trade runs with the cat? aUEC gets definitely wiped before the game goes live. And a number of times even before that.
I don't think anyone is advocating for buying a ground vehicle. They're not very good at making money on their lonesome, though maybe this'll change in the future. Nevertheless, a ship is a far better choice.
We don't really know if aUEC == UEC. My guess would be that aUEC is something like 0.1 UEC or 0.01 UEC, what with specifically being a different currency and starter packages coming with mere 1k UEC or so, I mean, otherwise you could just fly around in a Hornet for like an extended weekend or so and buy a 600i. Hmm... I don't really know if that's a bad thing, actually. But the reason 80% of my pledges are large and capital ships is because I'm kinda assuming it'd be a bit more difficult than that.
Stuff like building up rep can be really tiresome with a larger ship, trust me, I've tried. If you absolutely refuse to go under a medium, something like Cutlass black isn't a bad option either, though having flown that extensively I'm still planning on getting a hornet.
I tend to feel the same. But how they balance gameplay in the end will be the key. My hunch is fighters ultimately get more yaw (turn rate) stats that consistently are better than even-slightly-heavier 'multicrew' vessels. That may give enemy fighters an edge in a dogfight, sans missiles, if turrets (especially auto-turrets) on the multi-crew ship cannot keep up. Fighters may also come with the benefit of a little lower signature / more surprise. CIG almost has to balance fighters this way to keep them relevant vs. a multi-crew ship bristling with more guns. Else, I agree, why fly them.