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LilleMats

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With invoicing? I didn't see that last week or there abouts.
This would be epic nothing is more annoying then having to calculate paypal fees in an invoice.
close to, you add the info into paypal, and what the seller (in this case you) should recieve this will have paypal do all the calculations for you, then ur sure to get the right info on the invoice.
if then the one sending money does the same we golden :)
also the program we use at my work has this inplemented, in the invoice part of it. but sadly this is a norwegian program, so donno how much help that would be to you :P and dont really use paypal much in my company so isnt really to helpfull to me either :P
 

Sirus7264

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close to, you add the info into paypal, and what the seller (in this case you) should recieve this will have paypal do all the calculations for you, then ur sure to get the right info on the invoice.
if then the one sending money does the same we golden :)
also the program we use at my work has this inplemented, in the invoice part of it. but sadly this is a norwegian program, so donno how much help that would be to you :P and dont really use paypal much in my company so isnt really to helpfull to me either :P
I still prefer friends and family lol it takes all that extra paperwork out and they dont get charged i understand some people still want invoices which is fine.
 

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I still prefer friends and family lol it takes all that extra paperwork out and they dont get charged i understand some people still want invoices which is fine.
I don't do that because anyone can come on here an pretend to be a great person, and a few months down the road do a chargeback or cause problems.
With invoicing there are terms of service that can be added, notes, and a clear description of what's being traded.
As I wrote in my first two posts on this thread, this is to mutually strengthen both the buyers and the seller's position in risk mitigation.

I've checked the invoice generator in Paypal, it may be a feature for non-business accounts, but on my account for invoice generating, I have to enter a dollar amount. There is no calculation offering or option to have the invoice create the correct charge. In fact, in order for that to even work, you'd have to know what country the buyer PAYS from.

Sometimes you can send an invoice to an email, and a buyer will pay with a different PayPal account. This happened before to me, but the 2nd account also showed PayPal verified and I saw his address and so I did not make a stink about it. That was before PayPal added the new distinction on invoicing if the stuff being sold is physical or digital. Now with digital selected, an address is not asked for. Which is why on my verification invoices I select physical item so that I can see the account is fully verified. It shows all this once an invoice is paid.

Keep in mind, this is not just trading beers, most of the time these are trades involving hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars. The average risk is quite high. An even people we've known and trusted for years here can turn out to be real jerks. For example, there was a guy that would actively buy here for quite a while, but eventually, I found out he was reselling what he bought here on his eBay account for large profits. I only found out because I discovered his other username on Base.SC by chance, and then found his same handle and same ships from Base.SC on an eBay account... and low and behold... pledges he bought from here were listed on that eBay account at large profits.

My point is, if you extrapolate that to a worst-case scenario, imagine if a TEST main for years, wanted to scam for whatever reason.... if you accepted payment via friends and family, it is much easier for that person to reverse the charge. Why take the risk when it only costs a very small percentage to mitigate it? PayPal usually won't reverse a charge against a seller when you use clear invoicing with a clear TOS and can show a history of communication. Provided everything was on the up and up during the transaction, e.g. seller didn't lie and has proof (hangar log), the seller is pretty much safe.

There are rhyme and reason to my madness.

@LilleMats Welcome to TEST. About your reply on my thread, that feature is not available for me on invoicing. But thank you.
 

Sirus7264

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I don't do that because anyone can come on here an pretend to be a great person, and a few months down the road do a chargeback or cause problems.
With invoicing there are terms of service that can be added, notes, and a clear description of what's being traded.
As I wrote in my first two posts on this thread, this is to mutually strengthen both the buyers and the seller's position in risk mitigation.

I've checked the invoice generator in Paypal, it may be a feature for non-business accounts, but on my account for invoice generating, I have to enter a dollar amount. There is no calculation offering or option to have the invoice create the correct charge. In fact, in order for that to even work, you'd have to know what country the buyer PAYS from.

Sometimes you can send an invoice to an email, and a buyer will pay with a different PayPal account. This happened before to me, but the 2nd account also showed PayPal verified and I saw his address and so I did not make a stink about it. That was before PayPal added the new distinction on invoicing if the stuff being sold is physical or digital. Now with digital selected, an address is not asked for. Which is why on my verification invoices I select physical item so that I can see the account is fully verified. It shows all this once an invoice is paid.

Keep in mind, this is not just trading beers, most of the time these are trades involving hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars. The average risk is quite high. An even people we've known and trusted for years here can turn out to be real jerks. For example, there was a guy that would actively buy here for quite a while, but eventually, I found out he was reselling what he bought here on his eBay account for large profits. I only found out because I discovered his other username on Base.SC by chance, and then found his same handle and same ships from Base.SC on an eBay account... and low and behold... pledges he bought from here were listed on that eBay account at large profits.

My point is, if you extrapolate that to a worst-case scenario, imagine if a TEST main for years, wanted to scam for whatever reason.... if you accepted payment via friends and family, it is much easier for that person to reverse the charge. Why take the risk when it only costs a very small percentage to mitigate it? PayPal usually won't reverse a charge against a seller when you use clear invoicing with a clear TOS and can show a history of communication. Provided everything was on the up and up during the transaction, e.g. seller didn't lie and has proof (hangar log), the seller is pretty much safe.

There are rhyme and reason to my madness.

@LilleMats Welcome to TEST. About your reply on my thread, that feature is not available for me on invoicing. But thank you.
huh that's weird i thought they never reverse friends and family and that is why most buyers are scared to use it. i'll have to look that up never knew that before if that is the case then i guess i'll be forced to use invoice from now on.

I just looked it up and see how they could but that is very difficult(You have to put in a fraud complaint to your bank and cancel it on the bank level. Paypal will never reverse a friends and family) and could be abused with invoiceing also the only benefit of the invoice though is you have record of the transaction and what they paid for.
 

Sirus7264

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Can you link where ever PayPal states that, please?
Its item number 13 very unlucky.

Ineligible items and transactions under PayPal’s Purchase Protection program
Payments for the following are not eligible for reimbursement under PayPal Purchase Protection:
  • Real estate, including residential property.
  • Financial products or investments of any kind.
  • Businesses (when you buy or invest in a business).
  • Vehicles, including, but not limited to, motor vehicles, motorcycles, recreational vehicles, aircraft and boats.
  • Significantly Not as Described claims for wholly or partly custom-made items.
  • Donations including payments on crowdfunding platforms.
  • Items prohibited by the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy.
  • For Item Not Received claims, items which you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf, including items bought in a seller’s store location.
  • Industrial machinery used in manufacturing.
  • Anything purchased from, or an amount paid to, a government agency.
  • Stored value items such as gift cards and pre-paid cards.
  • Gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize.
  • Payments sent using PayPal’s friends and family functionality.
  • Payments sent using PayPal to any bill payment service.
  • Payments made using PayPal Payouts and Mass Pay or guest checkout transactions (i.e. not sent using your PayPal account).
Source: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full

The way people get around this is like this to get their money back is like this. I'm sure that if they did that illegally you can talk to Paypal and verify everything and paypal will most likely talk to the bank and show proof. they would probably get in huge trouble with their banks if they are lieing but who knows.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paypal/comments/57x183 View: https://www.reddit.com/r/paypal/comments/57x183/i_won_a_friendsfamily_chargeback/
 

DirectorGunner

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Thank you @Sirus7264
Too bad F&F doesn't have a way to put a TOS inside of the actual trade or I might consider switching to it.
Seems I'll stick with the invoice method since that provides an option for TOS/terms in addition to the description in the transaction.
I feel more comfortable with everything in writing and being verifiable in case of a dispute.
 

Sirus7264

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Thank you @Sirus7264
Too bad F&F doesn't have a way to put a TOS inside of the actual trade or I might consider switching to it.
Seems I'll stick with the invoice method since that provides an option for TOS/terms in addition to the description in the transaction.
I feel more comfortable with everything in writing and being verifiable in case of a dispute.
anytime man and i completely understand your concern with it never bad to be to safe right?
 

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Yes, I have 48 of them right now. I keep my inventory updated to any significant changes if not to any changes.
PM me if interested, will sort out the PayPal verified step first.
I have been very slow in getting invoices out in the last two weeks, so please bear with me.
A lot going on right now, I just happened to be checking the forum this morning.
 

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do you have ADD-ONS - ALL-TERRAIN VEHICLE MEGA PACK LTI 13 $405 at this moment?
Fair warning, anyone who PMs me for something on my list,
I will check if Paypal is verified,
and if your RSI profile is not in TEST, and/or something looks odd about your online presence...
I won't trade and turn away.


If you are still interested botatos, PM me... AFTER you make your TEST intro post and mingle in the ORG a bit.

If the OP is up to date I'd like a Race Team Pack (X1, Nox, Dragonfly) homeskillet, hit me up.
If anyone wants something from my list, please PM me. I don't always get updates for new replies on this thread.
But I will always see that little red bubble on the email symbol when I refresh my TEST forum tab.


Hi AntiSqueker, PM me if you still want it.


Hey Gunny Bunny, how much is this pack? Asking for a friend, lol?
Hey!

It would be $115 + pp fees.
 
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