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Overlord

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I want to make a very serious point. No matter what the subject. ANY subject. What you 'feel" holds absolutely no weight. It's about what you can prove. Believe what you want to believe but don't tell someone they're wrong because you feel that they are.


Gather up as much information as you can then make a fuss. Having no knowledge about the subject yourself and then calling ignorance on others is very much the pot calling the kettle black.

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I just have to respond to the above comment posted by Egriz. Sorry but your reply resembles the emotionalism of a fanboy and not an adult that can differentiate between right and wrong. Despite all my efforts in producing facts and trying to get to the bottom of things, you merely accuse me of making a 'fuss' because I used the word 'feel'. Do I really have to prove the obvious to you? It appears so. So what is obvious? What's obvious is that Star Citizen is a business, or do I need to prove that too? What is obvious is that they have banned people because people thinking for themselves and questioning policy, direction or what have you aren't good for sales. Why else would they ban people for expressing an opinion? Oh I get it because the following is worthy of a lifetime ban without the proper requisite warnings:

'I look really forward to Matchmaking (mechanic) because it takes away the challenge of beating someone better than me and saves me from embarrassment of being beaten by someone with lesser skills.'

What more proof do I need to demonstrate that Star Citizen is first and foremost a business and unduly bias towards moderation? Is that really how 'Communities' should be governed? And what about the person who wanted to start a women's organization but was only unbanned after the media intervened? I noticed you ignored that and went with 'feel' then shot off about facts. I could go on and on about other 'facts' but I see they are wasted on you. I can now see why there is growing animosity towards Star Citizen: not because Chris Roberts over-promises and under-delivers (which he doesn't); not because ships are exorbitantly expensive; not because Star Citizen feels like a never ending money making machine; and not because of VAT. Clearly the reason for the growing backlash against Star Citizen is people like you that attack others for daring to suggest SC isn't all it's made out to be. Even those who earnestly try to find the middle ground are suspect. No, that is not enough for you. All you can do is start yelling at anyone trying to get to the truth. Yeah, I see now why there is a growing backlash towards Star Citizen - thanks for the contribution.
 

Scarthian

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So not only did Egriz not post what you Quoted above as saying he posted but you also did not put the full Quote in the first place. Which was posted by Kratok which is in full right below your post which you linked to. On another point you requested the last thread to be closed (which Egriz did say it was closed at your request) only to open a second thread which is at best a slight variation from your last thread. The difference being about SC being a business with apparently heavy moderation.

Also Kratok's full "comment" of which you attributed Egriz to posting just in case it got missed in the pursuit of facts.


Overlord said:
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Thought this post was closed. But since it is open, please let me elaborate what all the 'fuss is about'. RSI is a business but somehow you believe that they are above acting like a business, or at least that is what you want to believe. I simply feel it is not possible that a business can oversee a community fairly and permit open dialogue; and I am not talking about porn, swearing, trolling but real opinions with real concerns. Apparently you think it is possible so I guess we have to agree to disagree.
I want to make a very serious point. No matter what the subject. ANY subject. What you 'feel" holds absolutely no weight. It's about what you can prove. Believe what you want to believe but don't tell someone they're wrong because you feel that they are.

Overlord said:
But I will always make a 'fuss' about a business calling itself and its contributors a community, especially if people have a knee jerk reaction whenever SC reveals it's true business colors. What amazes me is the fact you are oblivious to certain tax breaks that International companies receive once they officially become Internationalized.​
Again this is the issue I have with this whole thread. You have been fed several arguments from people and have strawmanned the shit out of every post. People have provided links, explanations, and what have you on things that you should have looked up yourself. Silly things like is the UK part of the VAT agreement? Son look that shit up yourself, its called google. I spent a good portion of last night trying to find information to provide you with when in reality, you should be the one that should be presenting your arguments to everyone else. Since you're the one that wants to make the "fuss".

Gather up as much information as you can then make a fuss. Having no knowledge about the subject yourself and then calling ignorance on others is very much the pot calling the kettle black.
 

Kratok

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Thanks for demonstrating to everyone your real intentions with the original thread: to create drama. Pull my words out of context if you want, I stick by them.

Making a second thread filled with attacks against my person and not my argument are that similar to those that modern feminists make and frankly just aren't worth my time. You portray me as not being an adult, yet you made a whole thread just for me? I'm touched really.

Take your drama somewhere else.
 
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Scarthian

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Thanks for demonstrating to everyone your real intentions with the original thread: to create drama. Pull my words out of context if you want, I stick by them.

Making a second thread filled with attacks against my person and not my argument are that similar to those that modern feminists make and frankly just aren't worth my time. You portray me as not being an adult, yet you made a whole thread just for me? I'm touched really.

Take your drama somewhere else.
What I found strange is that he attributed it to Egriz posting the above quote yet he did not. Not to mention cherry picking your post instead of posting it in full especially the parts of folks arguments being backed up by facts. While I am all for a discussion I will have to agree with the part regarding this second thread being made specifically to stir some type of drama. Which I do not understand why as there was already a prior thread that seemed to do that well enough before being requested to be closed. This seems to me to be reinforced by the cherry picking of a quote instead of the full quote itself but that may just be how I am seeing it hence why I posted the full quote above just to be clear.
 
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Kratok

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What I found strange is that he attributed it to Egriz posting the above quote yet he did not. Not to mention cherry picking your post instead of posting it in full especially the parts of folks arguments being backed up by facts. While I am all for a discussion I will have to agree with the part regarding this second thread being made specifically to stir some type of drama. Which I do not understand why as there was already a prior thread that seemed to do that well enough before being requested to be closed. This seems to me to be reinforced by the cherry picking of a quote instead of the full quote itself but that may just be how I am seeing it hence why I posted the full quote above just to be clear.
Yeah what annoys me the most is that a few people including myself provided information last night concerning VAT, when in reality it was just a veiled conspiracy thread.
 
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Dalarast

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I'm just here to eat popcorn and read comments....

due to crappy internet can't load Michael Jackson images into this comment...
 
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Scarthian

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This place has too many fanboys. I guess people need to believe in something to fill a void in their lives. Oh well....
Not a matter of fanboys it seems to me to be a matter of you finding literally any reason to hate SC or Chris Roberts. In your first thread you tired using VAT and your arguments were countered with facts and opinions. To which you returned your own opinions found that the people disagreed with said opinion than the thread was requested to be closed by you. At which point you made almost the same exact thread, referenced the closed one then expected some type of different response from last time? Was this supposed to spark some type of 180 discussion from last time? I don't think people suddenly change overnight I'm afraid.

Naturally you were disagreed with yet again and of course instead of a logical, factual or even decent response you instead to go the path of insults. Which is not a surprise because you did so in the very first post (aimed at I add the wrong person) instead of promoting discussion you instead invited drama. Sadly as you can see from the responses from multiple members if you want drama you won't be getting it from us. So excuse us "fanboys" or as I rather put it full grown adults with rational minds and the ability to form our own opinions based on sound reasoning for not feeding the drama llama as they say. In the end though I do wish you and every other member of this beloved Org a very nice day and hope whatever your opinion or stance may be make it yours. For even if people disagree you are who you choose to be in life and in the end only we can choose to change who we are or our stance.

(Just don't make multiple threads on the same subject trying to stir drama please and thanks.)
 

CGPepper

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Not a matter of fanboys it seems to me to be a matter of you finding literally any reason to hate SC or Chris Roberts. In your first thread you tired using VAT and your arguments were countered with facts and opinions. To which you returned your own opinions found that the people disagreed with said opinion than the thread was requested to be closed by you. At which point you made almost the same exact thread, referenced the closed one then expected some type of different response from last time? Was this supposed to spark some type of 180 discussion from last time? I don't think people suddenly change overnight I'm afraid.

Naturally you were disagreed with yet again and of course instead of a logical, factual or even decent response you instead to go the path of insults. Which is not a surprise because you did so in the very first post (aimed at I add the wrong person) instead of promoting discussion you instead invited drama. Sadly as you can see from the responses from multiple members if you want drama you won't be getting it from us. So excuse us "fanboys" or as I rather put it full grown adults with rational minds and the ability to form our own opinions based on sound reasoning for not feeding the drama llama as they say. In the end though I do wish you and every other member of this beloved Org a very nice day and hope whatever your opinion or stance may be make it yours. For even if people disagree you are who you choose to be in life and in the end only we can choose to change who we are or our stance.

(Just don't make multiple threads on the same subject trying to stir drama please and thanks.)
Well written point that we all already know.
That being said, this could be a great opportunity to start a Test Therapy service with pseudo qualified professionals.
"Hello father, i've committed a sin.. I have lost.. all faith in Chris Roberts"
"You came to the right place my son.." [whatever follows]
 
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Egriz

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If you're going to attempt to quote somebody to prove a point....actually quote them and provide citation.

As Scarthian pointed out, I did not say what you said I did. You misquoted me, and misquoted the actual comment, leaving out detail and not citing your quote.

This thread will not continue.

Please think twice before opening any more threads on this topic.
 
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