Sorry but I don't see the legally binding documentation or links - I only see bloggers comments.
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I wouldn't say that everyone is paying the same given there are different tax rates for every country and state. But this is not SC's responsibility. But it just seems odd that VAT laws existed in the UK before the recent revision and with offices set up there SC should have been charging VAT in England. Why was VAT not being paid?
I'm sure there's something we don't know. I mean, it looks like you're kind of thinking that they're putting in VAT just to get more money. VAT isn't something you can get around, it isn't more profit for the company either. I'm sure that VAT was put in, mainly because well THE LAW says you have to pay it, not SC. Stop trying to look for some conspiracy, the law changed, something in SC's structure changed, I don't know, you don't know either. The fact of the matter is, something changed, VAT has to be charged now, everybody is still paying about the same... I don't see an issue really?
That link was simply to point out another articles acknowledgement that CIG had 'officially' set up a base in the UK. There were some people working their from before but the team was not large enough to be considered an office.
It's our money, so I don't know how we'd be considered greedy since we're the once who are donating it.
Actually it isn't our money any more. It now belongs to Chris Roberts. But my point was taking the hit for taxes might have been in the communities interest. But this was intended as a straw man argument because SC is a business and as such is incapable of overseeing an open, honest community.
Well if you can unequivocally state there are no international tax breaks/benefits then I guess I will concede the point. Sure one could argue 'conspiracy' on my part. Or one could argue 'naivety' on your part. Because there are a lot of tax incentives/breaks/loopholes or whatever you want to call them and if their a company that doesn't take advantage of them then their bonkers. Of course laws change. Everything changes. But sometimes companies take advantage of change. For example, when Canada switched to metric, numerous companies fidgeted the numbers believing Canadians were too stupid to realize they were paying more for less. And they were too stupid to realize - as a Canadian I can safely say that. So yes, things change - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
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Alrighty, i am currently living in Belgium, where VAT is 21%
Standalone redeemer went from 250 bucks to 302 http://i.imgur.com/V8J9w5m.jpg
That also applies to melted ships. So if you bought Cutlass blue for 150 and melt it, now you'll have to pay 180 bucks to re-buy it
Why did they do it
By law, CIG is not required to charge VAT unless you register your company within the European union. They already had one in manchester, but it was registered as a sister company that doesnt generate any profit. (plus UK is a weird one, we dont even share the same currency) Now with the opening of the new office in Frankfurt, they decided to no longer go that route, and merge all offices under 1 CIG banner. The funds generated in EU will then stay in EU and will be used to cover development cost and converted to other currencies when the time is right and not when the payment is made.
The new law from 2015 was meant to close a widely exploited loop hole: You can pay VAT once in any country that is part of the EU. So corporations would establish ghost companies in countries with lowest tax rates, and pay as little as 6% on every sale. The new law is saying: You will pay the VAT rate from the consumers country
I do feel like SC community always was
But what does the word community means to you?
Standalone redeemer went from 250 bucks to 302 http://i.imgur.com/V8J9w5m.jpg
That also applies to melted ships. So if you bought Cutlass blue for 150 and melt it, now you'll have to pay 180 bucks to re-buy it
Why did they do it
By law, CIG is not required to charge VAT unless you register your company within the European union. They already had one in manchester, but it was registered as a sister company that doesnt generate any profit. (plus UK is a weird one, we dont even share the same currency) Now with the opening of the new office in Frankfurt, they decided to no longer go that route, and merge all offices under 1 CIG banner. The funds generated in EU will then stay in EU and will be used to cover development cost and converted to other currencies when the time is right and not when the payment is made.
The new law from 2015 was meant to close a widely exploited loop hole: You can pay VAT once in any country that is part of the EU. So corporations would establish ghost companies in countries with lowest tax rates, and pay as little as 6% on every sale. The new law is saying: You will pay the VAT rate from the consumers country
I do feel like SC community always was
But what does the word community means to you?
The post that started this discussion seemed pointless to me. Half a page where you state more than once that you don't understand what the fuss is about. Then stop fussing. It's like poking a turd and then asking why it smells like shit.
All you want to hear is how CIG is taking advantage of Europeans:
1. CIG
2. VAT
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!
Is that better?
Finally, and hopefully this post will come to a spee
But I will always make a 'fuss' about a business calling itself and its contributors a community, especially if people have a knee jerk reaction whenever SC reveals it's true business colors. What amazes me is the fact you are oblivious to certain tax breaks that International companies receive once they officially become Internationalized. Is that not a financial gain courtesy of VAT? Directly or indirectly? Nevertheless I conceded the argument it was inevitable but it would be interesting to see if there are any International Tax breaks for SC - you know, for the community. And although I support the idea of SC being a company first and foremost, I'm still not a big believer in companies taking advantage of supporters. I'm fussy that way. And a lot of other people are fussy judging from the 'Pay To Win' debate and to a certain degree VAT discussions on the web.
But as I inferred in my closing statement, my experience shapes my perspective so the trust factor I have for SC no longer exists. The only thing I trust Star Citizen with is building a triple A game. Oh and customer service which is next to none! Other than that I reserve judgement. But I will say this in SC's defense, the 'Pay To Win' controversy doesn't make sense if you can earn everything in game. But yeah, I am fussy, always have been and always will.
Thought this post was closed. But since it is open, please let me elaborate what all the 'fuss is about'. RSI is a business but somehow you believe that they are above acting like a business, or at least that is what you want to believe. I simply feel it is not possible that a business can oversee a community fairly and permit open dialogue; and I am not talking about porn, swearing, trolling but real opinions with real concerns. Apparently you think it is possible so I guess we have to agree to disagree.
But I will always make a 'fuss' about a business calling itself and its contributors a community, especially if people have a knee jerk reaction whenever SC reveals it's true business colors. What amazes me is the fact you are oblivious to certain tax breaks that International companies receive once they officially become Internationalized. Is that not a financial gain courtesy of VAT? Directly or indirectly? Nevertheless I conceded the argument it was inevitable but it would be interesting to see if there are any International Tax breaks for SC - you know, for the community. And although I support the idea of SC being a company first and foremost, I'm still not a big believer in companies taking advantage of supporters. I'm fussy that way. And a lot of other people are fussy judging from the 'Pay To Win' debate and to a certain degree VAT discussions on the web.
But as I inferred in my closing statement, my experience shapes my perspective so the trust factor I have for SC no longer exists. The only thing I trust Star Citizen with is building a triple A game. Oh and customer service which is next to none! Other than that I reserve judgement. But I will say this in SC's defense, the 'Pay To Win' controversy doesn't make sense if you can earn everything in game. But yeah, I am fussy, always have been and always will.
I want to make a very serious point. No matter what the subject. ANY subject. What you 'feel" holds absolutely no weight. It's about what you can prove. Believe what you want to believe but don't tell someone they're wrong because you feel that they are.
Again this is the issue I have with this whole thread. You have been fed several arguments from people and have strawmanned the shit out of every post. People have provided links, explanations, and what have you on things that you should have looked up yourself. Silly things like is the UK part of the VAT agreement? Son look that shit up yourself, its called google. I spent a good portion of last night trying to find information to provide you with when in reality, you should be the one that should be presenting your arguments to everyone else. Since you're the one that wants to make the "fuss".
Gather up as much information as you can then make a fuss. Having no knowledge about the subject yourself and then calling ignorance on others is very much the pot calling the kettle black.
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