My take on the redeemer size [picture heavy]

[zelange]

Hello fellow testies!

This is just a cross post about my test on the leaked and showed redeemer model i talk about it on spectrum i want to share with you :

My take on the redeemer size - Star Citizen Spectrum

Hello citizen; So we got the leaked / holo model for the redeemer and speculation come from weapon size and all. First i think the model we have seen online was scaled to get the engines roughly...

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First i think the model we have seen online was scaled to get the engines roughly the same size as the old redeemer

I finally get my hand on it and try to toy around and take different reference point to see how it end.

Just to be on the same page for the weapons, the two manned turrets look like to get equipped with the s4 revenant model, bottom and back remote look like to get the s3 M5A model, and the nose gun look like to be a twin barrel tarantula GT-870 Mark 3, i suspect it's the future tarantula s4 model.

So i first take a hoplite in a 3d software as reference and try some scale experiment, first i try to scale the redeemer to have the S4 revenant the same size as the on the hoplite nose :

It make the ship really look tiny from my point of view and i feel it's off.

After that i take the turrets ring shape as reference and get far better results:

Now the cockpit look like to fit, the m5a look at the good size but the revenant look like to become one size bigger (s5 on turrets maybe :)

I suspect they don't have the s5 ballistic gun ready so they just upscale the s4 model, either because it will be s5 or just to look better)

Everything here is just speculation and need to be taken with a grain of salt, as the ship can also be put on a side for another year and re-concept or modified another time, and the gun can totally be put and scale on the fly to look good, and not to be representative of the definitive loadout.

 

[zelange]

I try to take bottom of the redeemer around the vanguard bottom with door more or less near each other to give a sense of scale :

I also found the closed model to the gun i think, the S3 tarantula, but this is a twin barrel variant (a S4 model maybe?)

And here some of the in-game model as reference, here from top to bottom the M5A, M4A and the M3A, and the S6 revenant
The M5A is clearly the one used on remote turrets with it's nose tip

My personnal conclusion is that the redeemer will be really scary:
- 2 manned turrets equipped with 2S5 guns
- 2s4 for the pilot (also maybe gimbal as there is a space between the hull and the gun around the size of a gimbal system)
- 2 remote turrets with S3 gun, one for the pilot one for the tail

If i am right and i take laser repeater as reference (panther, rhino, etc) this make it 6160 dps one the front of the ship.

 

[vahadar]

This will be a beast :) One waiting in hangar, another in buyback.

 

[Phil]

I try to take bottom of the redeemer around the vanguard bottom with door more or less near each other to give a sense of scale :
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I also found the closed model to the gun i think, the S3 tarantula, but this is a twin barrel variant (a S4 model maybe?)
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And here some of the in-game model as reference, here from top to bottom the M5A, M4A and the M3A, and the S6 revenant
The M5A is clearly the one used on remote turrets with it's nose tip

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My personnal conclusion is that the redeemer will be really scary:
- 2 manned turrets equipped with 2S5 guns
- 2s4 for the pilot (also maybe gimbal as there is a space between the hull and the gun around the size of a gimbal system)
- 2 remote turrets with S3 gun, one for the pilot one for the tail

If i am right and i take laser repeater as reference (panther, rhino, etc) this make it 6160 dps one the front of the ship.

If you are right, this puts this ship more on par with Valk and Prowler price tag also, 250$ not enough because they raised all the other ship prices around it, this will be a 350$-400$ ship if this is even remotely what it turns out to be.

 

[zelange]

If you are right, this puts this ship more on par with Valk and Prowler price tag also, 250$ not enough because they raised all the other ship prices around it, this will be a 350$-400$ ship if this is even remotely what it turns out to be.

It's funny when you think about it, when it was announced most peoples complain it cost to much and don't get enough firepower.
And now we are here, it's too cheap for what it does with the massive firepower (if confirmed of course).

 

[Sky Captain]

Glad to hear its getting scaled up. The Redeemer was way too small / cramped for its intended role, IMHO. Something with this much fire power deserves to be a bigger target.

 

[atpbx]

In theory as as well the interior of this ship is very easy to make as well, its simply a Warden habitation pod behind the flight deck, a hoplite pod on the bottom deck, with a small cargo area between it and the ramp.

 

[Blind Owl]

She's in my hangar, awaiting her time to shine.

 

[Devil Dog Hog]

My impression of it is its like a cross between a prowler with the two decks and passenger capacity, a Vanguard for size, firepower, and a valk for hauling a possible cyclone on the utility in the back like a halo pelican.

 

[Cugino83]

Nice work, really nice work for on the 3D model!
I wonder if they plan to introduce another balistic repeater other then the one already in game: that iimmage is defenitly form the Gallant manucaturer but the twin barrel let me think that is not a tarantula's series weapon...

 

[Talonsbane]

I'm curious in what ways CIG is going to balance out (nerf) the Redeemer as its initial concept was clearly OP in several ways, which is no doubt part of the reason it hasn't been released yet in addition to its overall styling issue. My best guess is that the individuals that will handle the remote turrets will be the crew it drops off. So while it'll have plenty of firepower entering an LZ to drop of the squad, it'll be far less capable afterwards. Its range will also be limited to around the distance of the Prowler or Valk so that the Hoplite can keep its only advantage over the other drop ships.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I think one nerf to expect is it will require so much power to fire all those weapons that it always runs hot and easy to spot. I doubt there will be a way to stealth it.

 

[Talonsbane]

I think one nerf to expect is it will require so much power to fire all those weapons that it always runs hot and easy to spot. I doubt there will be a way to stealth it.

The easiest way to stealth it, will be to have ALL of its systems turned off & it hiding among a massive debris field of large wrecked items.

 

[Phil]

The problem I see is, they made this ship out to be a monster but then the Prowler, Valk and Hoplite came along and kind of took its thunder away, in order to put this ship on par with those the would have to do a lot, size, power etc... to do this that changes the entire initial concept of the ship and would require a major overhaul and price hike. They are stuck then leaving it the lesser of the 4 options, in order to do this you need to make it valuable in a way those other 3 ships aren't, how do you accomplish this? Gun wise, the Valk smokes it, yes it requires manned turrets but the Valk can be flown solo like the Redeemer, carry a lot more people and vehicles with some cargo, has more armor, bigger components etc... stealth wise its no contest to a Prowler which is also decently armed, the Hoplite is the only one that's really not on par but the advantage of the Hop is you can have other modules to swap in and out so now could have 4 ships in 1.

I think this is why this ship is stuck in limbo, why they had a hard time pushing it out without completely wiping the concept out, they have to find a middle ground and to me personally I don't see it, if I had to choose between this and a Valk, I take the Valk any day.

 

[Talonsbane]

The problem I see is, they made this ship out to be a monster but then the Prowler, Valk and Hoplite came along and kind of took its thunder away, in order to put this ship on par with those the would have to do a lot, size, power etc... to do this that changes the entire initial concept of the ship and would require a major overhaul and price hike. They are stuck then leaving it the lesser of the 4 options, in order to do this you need to make it valuable in a way those other 3 ships aren't, how do you accomplish this? Gun wise, the Valk smokes it, yes it requires manned turrets but the Valk can be flown solo like the Redeemer, carry a lot more people and vehicles with some cargo, has more armor, bigger components etc... stealth wise its no contest to a Prowler which is also decently armed, the Hoplite is the only one that's really not on par but the advantage of the Hop is you can have other modules to swap in and out so now could have 4 ships in 1.

I think this is why this ship is stuck in limbo, why they had a hard time pushing it out without completely wiping the concept out, they have to find a middle ground and to me personally I don't see it, if I had to choose between this and a Valk, I take the Valk any day.

You forget that the actual key advantage that the Hoplite has over the others is that it's long range. Unlike the others, it has a pair of beds & it's geared to travel much farther than the others on a single fill up. Which while penetrating enemy space can be a matter of life & death.

I suspect that the thinness of the hull of the Prowler will be its Achilles heel, just like the side & main doors of the Valk are its due to sudden depressurization.

 

[Phil]

I think if they turned this into strictly a gunship it would make sense, get rid of the dropship aspect, turn it into a gunship and then you have your reason for buying this over the other 3 imo.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

They're obviously planning to go the gunship role or why add a turret? Hope they don't take the marine seats out.

 

[Blind Owl]

They're obviously planning to go the gunship role or why add a turret? Hope they don't take the marine seats out.

Meh, marines don't need seats. Just give them a pack of crayons for entertainment then strap them to the sides. It'll be good.

 

[Zookajoe]

Ice Cream for Marines:

 

[Phil]

They're obviously planning to go the gunship role or why add a turret? Hope they don't take the marine seats out.

As it sits now, 250$ is fine with me, if they jack this up to 350-400$ I don't see the value over any of the other ships, just adding guns to me and still trying to make it a hybrid of gun/drop ship I will take the Prowler or Valk in that price range. It will be interesting to see where it ends up. I think CIG is in a pickle with this ship and that's why its been in limbo.