135k aUEC/hour killing bad guys

[Shadow Reaper]

Just reminding for those who want to stow some cash, but don't want to fly transport. The 890 Jump mission is easy to do in any ship:

View: https://youtu.be/CD4fBV_gKmc


and apparently now pays 45k:

View: https://youtu.be/GqlVVxWKTKY


I still haven't seen anyone do it with the Demeco, but studies indicate that is the best weapon for these ranges, as it takes fewer shots to put down an enemy and you don't need to swap mags even once for this mission.

 

[maynard]

TESTes sharing the good infos

the best reason to be here

 

[ColdDog]

TESTes sharing the good infos

Why is taking advantage of an exploit good info (talking about jumping out of the ship - don't think that was the developers intent)? Should the game be built around exploits? If someone hacks your computer just because they can, is that ok?

 

[Shadow Reaper]

Why do you assume it is an exploit? For now, this is the way the game is planned to work. No one can lock their doors and if they could, you'd need a breeching charge just to get onto the 890, which is not yet in game.

 

[maynard]

Why is taking advantage of an exploit good info (talking about jumping out of the ship - don't think that was the developers intent)? Should the game be built around exploits? If someone hacks your computer just because they can, is that ok?

the Devs never intended for griefing to be a thing

but it happens until they come up with a fix

that's reality

@Shadow Reaper shared a reality-based method of fattening your wallet

OFC you're free to pass it up, if that makes you feel righteous

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

OFC you're free to pass it up, if that makes you feel righteous

I was on a server where a player was using that patches exploit to hand out billions of aUEC. I was all righteous and ignored it and continued to make my peanuts.

The new patch rolled in with a aUEC wipe and a fix to the exploit.

In short it doesn't matter if there is an exploit now as it'll be fixed and any gains wiped in future. If anything it is better the exploits are found and uncovered now so they don't appear in the final game. Next exploit i'm going to hammer it, as after Beta there is Pitchfork, Wipe and we all start again from the ground floor.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

It's not an exploit. Once locked doors and breaching charges are enabled, you'll be able to do this same thing. This is just clever thinking outside the box. We need guys like this here at TEST.

 

[maynard]

I'm going to use this as an entry to explore the wider issue of morality in virtual spaces

[WALL O' TEXT]

I say anything that doesn't harm real live humans is OK

e.g. taking advantage of an exploit in an NPC mission

griefing at a landing pad or station is the theft of another player's time and effort, and it's not OK since players have no way to avoid it

pirating a player's cargo in lawless space is OK because they knew the risks and they made a conscious choice to do it anyway

I'm fine with piracy-like immorality in the PU

a large part of the appeal of virtuality is the ability to explore what would be unthinkable IRL

when I was a noob in Eve Online a corpmate told me I could make better ISK doing NPC trading than I could with Level 1 and 2 combat missions

so I bought an entry level hauler and scoped out the market

the biggest profit was in trading slaves, so that's what I did

I slept fine that night

[/WALL O' TEXT]

discuss

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I think of exploits as doing things the game was never intended to do. Glitching through a wall is an exploit, and is a form of Meta-Gaming, which I loath. Same with spying by playing more than one character and passing intel between them regardless of context. Spying is Meta-Gaming. Eve was ruined by Metagamers.

Boarding a ship in a game with ship boarding, in the only way allowed in game, is NOT an exploit.

I hold no personal animosity toward players of pirates and slavers, just understand; I plan to earn a living killing pirates and slavers and taking their stuff. I do appreciate those who provide me gainful employ.

 

[maynard]

...Glitching through a wall is an exploit, and is a form of Meta-Gaming, which I loath. Same with spying by playing more than one character and passing intel between them regardless of context. Spying is Meta-Gaming.

so if SC's game mechanics encourage competition between orgs, you would be against using SPAIs to TEST's advantage?

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I don't think there is a viable place in SC for spies of any kind. I think the only way to combat the problem of spying is for leadership in every org to hold their cards as close to the vest as possible. Elaborate schemes that require great confidentiality over long periods of time are likely not viable, because so many game without honor. It's sad, but it's true.

Look what happened in Eve. All the biggest gambits were simply people betraying each other because online, they can.

I don't think pressing the boundaries for the lowest common denominator of human behavior can ever provide a satisfying outcome. It's just not worth the time.

 

[DontTouchMyHoHos]

Test is about having fun first. We arent going to become some super secretive exclusive org. An exploit is only an exploit when the creator dubs it so. No one besides the creator has a say in what is or isnt as none of us are the judge, jury, or executioner on the matter. Abusing AI is an opinion to some and people would consider that exploiting. It is, but opinions are like buttholes, butt chug beer and enjoy yourself.

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

so if SC's game mechanics encourage competition between orgs, you would be against using SPAIs to TEST's advantage?

No point Spai-ing on TEST. We'll all lie when asked something, even to ourselves.

"What's that unassuming mild-mannered forum member? Where's the latest TEST base going to be? It'll be on Terra in the UEE senate building. Yeah we've got an in with someone in the Dev team so out highest ranked members will have an actual office in the Senate building. What's that unassuming mild-mannered forum member? How large is my Johnson? It's the size of an express train."

 

[Phil]

Why is taking advantage of an exploit good info (talking about jumping out of the ship - don't think that was the developers intent)? Should the game be built around exploits? If someone hacks your computer just because they can, is that ok?

Technically he is right, this is an exploit, an exploit is anything a player uses to manipulate or take advantage of a known bug or issue with the game, most TOS(Terms of Service) directly warn players that even if there is a known bug or glitch in the game, if you deliberately abuse them its against the TOS, so technically he is correct.

Flying a starter ship out there, jumping out and self destructing it knowing the AI will bug out or glitch and let you EVA over and take over their ship is a bug or could be just unfinished programming and not intended gameplay.

And its not just this mission, there are tons of bugs and issues in this game, yes its Alpha we expect these issues, but what gets us, the player base community in trouble is when guys put out video's directing people to deliberately go out and abuse and exploit those issues, to me this is where we screw ourselves as a gaming community, yes we want to find bugs and report them and make the game better, but then we bitch and moan about wiping servers when people are abusing the game, we can't have it both ways, we cant complain they wipe the servers when we are the main reason they are wiping them in the first place.

And don't get me wrong, we are talking about severe abuse here, not some guy that did it once or twice, we talking about the people who log in routinely and abuse these exploits, there are many ways to abuse these exploits, whether It has to do with crime stats, money or ships there are people out there abusing these things on a whole new level and this is why CIG is forced to reset or wipe our progress, so just remember when you support these videos directing people to go out and exploit the games bugs or unfinished programming, you are supporting the wipes and resets.

 

[BUTUZ]

Thing is the AI (and the rest of the game) is so damn buggy that it's difficult not to exploit a situation where the AI is misbehaving. E.g. situations happen all the time where the AI don't notice you until you get really close. I've used the extra distance on a fixed S5 cannon on my vanguard to blow AI ships up from 5KM away. They literally didn't see it coming!

Am I an exploiter? No I don't think so. It's just what we have here to deal with. The AI is going to me monumentally shit for at least another year so I guess so if you are going to have a no nonsense no exploitation attitude then you may as well stop playing the game.

What that guy did was not exploiting AI bugs really, it was just playing the game as it exists now, buggy AI, buggy servers. He still had to go onto the 890jump and kill all the pirates to get the money, he actually did the mission properly, regardless if he started off stealing an AI cutlass or not.

Now the bugs to do with trading and other things that people exploited to become multi millionaires - that is more exploiting known bugs. That being said - at this stage of the game, having more money does allow you to do more testing. I've legitimately earned about 600k this patch, I don't usually bother grinding, but it has allowed me to test lots of different ship upgrades and ship and FPS weapons that I never bothered with in previous patches. There's a reason they give the evocate a shit ton of cash to get them going and testing. I don't think it's a major issue, certainly not with the game in pre alpha non beta no where near release state.

 

[Phil]

This is not correct, at all, matter of fact I just watched a video that stated, CIG was not going to wipe the servers, but they are going to wipe certain players who abused the exploits and have mass amounts of money, this clearly supports exactly what I just said, it is an exploit and you do it repeatedly, over and over again to simply farm money then yes you are an exploiter and it violates the TOS on almost every single game you have ever played.

Knowing its broken, knowing its not working as intended and intentionally doing it over and over (we are not talking 2 times here, but many more like 50 times) then you are violating TOS and exploiting the game.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

Except there is nothing broken about boarding an NPC ship. The thing people really feel oddly about is self destructing your own ship, based upon the notion that you'll simply get another.

News flash: Alpha is all based upon everyone getting replacement ships, so blowing yours up really is within acceptable practice--for everyone.

Are y'all aware that UEA ships are not going to include self destruct once we get to Beta? CIG put that in to enable specific kinds of testing, and it will be removed at Beta. So there is absolutely nothing exploitative about blowing up your own ship. Vanduul ships will include self destruct specifically so players cannot overly enrich themselves by capturing AI ships. CIG wants that test of courage to have the proper limits formed by real PC opponents. So far, from what CIG has said; the only instance where players may enrich themselves by capturing NPC ships could be with pirates, slavers, smugglers and The Outsiders. They have not yet been specific whether even this will be allowed, and the only reason there is a self destruct in game is becasue they don't want specialists boarding ships guarded only by NPCs, as that would truly screw the SC economy.

BTW, the ability to "rip skins" and kill yourself so you can respawn is also temporary. You will not be able to suicide in Beta. CIG knows that if there are no consequences to killing yourself or destroying your ship, pirates will have no reason to be, as they could never enrich themselves by capturing ships and cargo.

 

[DontTouchMyHoHos]

Technically he is right, this is an exploit, an exploit is anything a player uses to manipulate or take advantage of a known bug or issue with the game, most TOS(Terms of Service) directly warn players that even if there is a known bug or glitch in the game, if you deliberately abuse them its against the TOS, so technically he is correct.

Flying a starter ship out there, jumping out and self destructing it knowing the AI will bug out or glitch and let you EVA over and take over their ship is a bug or could be just unfinished programming and not intended gameplay.

And its not just this mission, there are tons of bugs and issues in this game, yes its Alpha we expect these issues, but what gets us, the player base community in trouble is when guys put out video's directing people to deliberately go out and abuse and exploit those issues, to me this is where we screw ourselves as a gaming community, yes we want to find bugs and report them and make the game better, but then we bitch and moan about wiping servers when people are abusing the game, we can't have it both ways, we cant complain they wipe the servers when we are the main reason they are wiping them in the first place.

And don't get me wrong, we are talking about severe abuse here, not some guy that did it once or twice, we talking about the people who log in routinely and abuse these exploits, there are many ways to abuse these exploits, whether It has to do with crime stats, money or ships there are people out there abusing these things on a whole new level and this is why CIG is forced to reset or wipe our progress, so just remember when you support these videos directing people to go out and exploit the games bugs or unfinished programming, you are supporting the wipes and resets.

Exploits are not directly related to things wrong with a game. You can exploit a market, you can exploit AI, you can exploit a lot of things that have absolutely nothing to do with things that are wrong. Exploiting is just making full use of something by definition.

 

[Bambooza]

Except there is nothing broken about boarding an NPC ship. The thing people really feel oddly about is self destructing your own ship, based upon the notion that you'll simply get another.

I don't even blow my ships up anymore I just land and claim all that I might have used before logging out for the day so that when I log back in all of my ships are A) available everywhere and B) fully refueled rearmed and repaired.
Not that the cost of rearming and repairing is high its just buggy and often times I can't even get more QT fuel or ammo to correctly add to the ship.

 

[DirectorGunner]

Big guns are my only option... because I can't otherwise hit the side of a barn in-game :3
Love me that Demeco and that ballistic LMG. Spray and pray works in SC.