A long delema I've had....Any Advice?

[Richard Bong]

I don't understand this portion of the page at all. There are no gimbals listed. Did they start calling gimbals turrets or weapons (dopey designation)? IIRC, the caterpillar had 4 gimbals, 2 turrets and no fixed mounts (which is good for a ship that size). Now it says it has 4 "weapons" and 2 turrets. So fixed and gimbaled weapons are all called "weapons" now? How is that better?

Don't know that it is better, but it is more consistent, since you can mount a gimbal and a size smaller weapon on fixed mounts. There is no real difference between the, for example, gun mounts on the back of the sabre compared to the front of the sabre.

 

[AntiSqueaker]

Beauty is in the eye of hte beholder. I really can't stand the Drake ships. they look too clunky to me, and I really don't like the WWII tech vibe they seem to give me. :slight_smile: In comparison, to me, a B-52 looks higher tech than Drake ships. :slight_smile:

On the other hand I love the look of Aegis ships. :slight_smile: Though I do think the classification of the Retaliator as a bomber is wrong, its specs are more PT Boat than Bomber. :slight_smile:

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

Drake ships are beautiful inside and out, you senseless cretin! Struts are love, chunky thicc ships for life.

 

[Richard Bong]

Lorewise, Sabre is a brand new design Aegis is pitching at the UEE to replace some of the carrier-borne Hornets (which have been in service for over 200 years at this point) with something faster and stealthier. In the meantime before the UEE decides to pick it up or not, Aegis is selling it to "qualified buyers" or some hogwash.

The Lightning is a specified Heavy Fighter, and looks to be too big to really be a carrier based fighter if you ask me.

But then again we've had like one lore blurb on the F8 so who the hell knows at this point.

Both the Lightning and Sabre are listed as Superiority Fighters. We have been told the Military hasn't bought the Sabre and it is being sold to contractors. We have also been told the Lightning is adopted by the military and not available to civilians.

Granted it is all just speculation. :)

 

[marcsand2]

I thought I noticed a change in the Bucc, but since I don't have one I can't compare.

Right now the Bucc has 2x S1, 2x S3 and the turret with 2x S2 or 1x S4. New stats say 2x S1 Longswords, 2x S2 Badgers, max S3, 1 turret with 2 mounts, S2 installed, max size S3. Yes, the turret can have 2x S3 instead of 2x S2. (If read the new stats correctly)

 

[Deroth]

Could be. I don't recall. I know they heralded the Sabre as a superiority fighter, whereas the Hornet is a Multi-role fighter--kinda the same distinction between the F-15 (former) and F-18 (later). The F-8 is definitely a superiority fighter, and it would kick the Sabre's ass if it handles even near the same with all those guns. I think the only way to get them will be to steal them, and that would be mega hard.

Full load of Joker weapons on a Buccaneer once the Suckerpunch is fixed and the S2s through S4s are implemented should do well 'capturing' them, though may need to team up with with a Cutlass so there is someone that can fly it after repairing it.

 

[Black Sunder]

Ask yourself: What would Montoya buy? Then do the opposite.

 

[Wolfy]

It honestly sounds like the Hornet is more up your alley, you say you like long range and with the buccaneers role it will most likely be tuned for more CQB combat than the medium fighter hornet.

 

[Joehockey]

Honestly, at this point, I'll just being trying to get my hands on an F7C-M if they allow any sales of it this year.

 

[Richard Bong]

Honestly, at this point, I'll just being trying to get my hands on an F7C-M if they allow any sales of it this year.

Should be on sale at least once this year.

If I wasn't, personally, thinking Bounty Hunting and a consequent belief that I will have a need for stealth, I would definitely agree with you. Given the demonstrated travel times, I don't want more than one fighter without an interior. So the current plan is to trade up my Hornet Ghost to a (Standard) Sabre the next time it is on sale. I also think having more than 4 ships is likely going to annoy me more than help me. LOL.

 

[Grimm_Reaper]

The Bucaneer is bad.

Simply put with the new turret system, the top turret cannot be exchanged for a single cannon. Your DPS takes a huge hit there. With its light shielding and abysmal armor (weaker than the gladius), you are better of with a solid F7C-M.

Even the Hornet suffers from the new turret rules, however its DPS is still the highest among fighters.

 

[Richard Bong]

Right now the Bucc has 2x S1, 2x S3 and the turret with 2x S2 or 1x S4. New stats say 2x S1 Longswords, 2x S2 Badgers, max S3, 1 turret with 2 mounts, S2 installed, max size S3. Yes, the turret can have 2x S3 instead of 2x S2. (If read the new stats correctly)

So the Bucc is armed just slightly under the Super Hornet but the same as the Hornet with the full ball turret. (The Wildfire has the Super Hornet Ball Turret, but doesn't have an entry for the chin turret, not sure if the ball turret from the Super Hornet can go into the standard turret with the new stats.)

I wonder what the center cap on my Ghost is actually supposed to do. (It is listed as a placeholder at the moment.:slight_smile: )

 

[Richard Bong]

The Bucaneer is bad.

Simply put with the new turret system, the top turret cannot be exchanged for a single cannon. Your DPS takes a huge hit there. With its light shielding and abysmal armor (weaker than the gladius), you are better of with a solid F7C-M.

Even the Hornet suffers from the new turret rules, however its DPS is still the highest among fighters.

The Saber hits harder than the Hornet unless you can add the ball turret to the standard Hornet. If the flashfire mount is still a thing then it is close. Both of those questions about the hornet are open, unfortunately.

 

[marcsand2]

So the Bucc is armed just slightly under the Super Hornet but the same as the Hornet with the full ball turret.

Yeap, like before. The difference between the Super Hornet and the Buccaneer is speed, agility, armor, shields and multi purpose.

 

[atpbx]

If I had $220, which is what you have if you have both, the question should be:

"what do i want, Sabre or Super Hornet"

Two different styles of play, I love both but decided I didnt need two fighters, so went with the Superhornet, because if you screw your eyes up a bit (a lot) you can pretend you are flying an X-Wing.

 

[Grimm_Reaper]

The Saber hits harder than the Hornet unless you can add the ball turret to the standard Hornet. If the flashfire mount is still a thing then it is close. Both of those questions about the hornet are open, unfortunately.

They have increased the turret S2 to S3 dual making the DPS higher than a single flash mount.

In the hornet 'verse no one can hear you scream.

 

[Space Gargantua/Lupus Dei]

Hornet man, you can upgrade, and you can always eject! lol

 

[Richard Bong]

They have increased the turret S2 to S3 dual making the DPS higher than a single flash mount.

In the hornet 'verse no one can hear you scream.

Presuming you can get one for a non-wildfire, non-Superhornet.

 

[Joehockey]

Should be on sale at least once this year.

If I wasn't, personally, thinking Bounty Hunting and a consequent belief that I will have a need for stealth, I would definitely agree with you. Given the demonstrated travel times, I don't want more than one fighter without an interior. So the current plan is to trade up my Hornet Ghost to a (Standard) Sabre the next time it is on sale. I also think having more than 4 ships is likely going to annoy me more than help me. LOL.

Yeah, I've already got my Cutty Blue for Bounty Hunting but I like the idea of adding a bit of stealth. Hadn't really considered that being a big factor in the career path. Might have to join you on that Sabre hunt.

 

[hardroc77]

BUY ALL THE SHIPS!

This is the correct answer.

The Bucc isn't balanced yet, just like the Sabre when it was released. Do you remember the hugely overpowered shields of the Sabre when it was released? But both have their charm. The Buccaneer is a light fighter with heavy weapons. The
A Hornet can have 2x S1, 2x S2 and 2x S3 guns, the same as the Buccaneer (OK, I prefer 3x S3 and 2x S3 on the Hornet, but that is personal preference) The only thing that the Super Hornet has better in weapons is that it can carry 2x S2 and 2x S3 missiles, while the Buccaneer only can carry 2x S3 missiles.
The Hornet has an ejection seat, the Buccaneer hasn't
The Hornet can be used for small cargo runs, the Buccaneer can't
The Hornet is slow and tanky, the Buccaneer is fast and light armoured

So you're saying....... choose the Hornet?

 

[hardroc77]

Personally I'd keep both in case you loose one in a battle. Then you'll have a backup until you can recover your destroyed ship. I have a Buc and a SH as well as a Sabre. I prefer the Sabre for most "patrols" currently. But if I'm thinking about mixing it up SPK or jumping into a battle with lots of pirates, I prefer the SH so I can just stay in the mix and keep slugging.


But recently I bought a Cutty black. So when 3.0 comes out, if the Cutlass is as good as I think it will be, I'm gonna be in the same boat as you right now.