atpbx
Space Marshal
Dont waste money on T16000s, the build quality is absolutely appalling.
Bought two last year, both dead.
Bought two last year, both dead.
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Agreed, however if you want to try out hotas/hosas I think it’s a decent gateway option, before sinking $$$ into Virpil/VKB.
It's a good entry level setup on a budget. I've had mine for 2 years and it still runs well so...yeah.
atpbx
Space Marshal
The most disappointing thing is there is no middle ground between cheap stuff like the T16000s and overpriced stuff like VKB and Virpil.
For me personally theres no justification for spending a grand on joysticks, but I would quite happily spend £250 to £350 on them (I am aware of the warthog, not great quality and also requires an additional grip purchasing AND pedals to give the functionality of two T16000s.)
It's weird that there's no-one trying to fill that middle ground, there's definitely a market there for it. Maybe thrustmaster has something in the works to replace the warthog
nope, energy management like switching off single components or stealth mode aren't bindable. You switch on or off engines: main thrusters, maneuvering thrusters , powerplant, jump drives
You have a point; I'd like to expand it slightly by noting that these ARE the middle ground between the older cheap stuff (T16000 build quality ain't the highest but they are far beyond the previous generation) and the truly expensive such as the Brunner. At 1250 Euro these are a bit salty even for whales.
I am also going to take the position that VKB and Virpil are NOT overpriced. Quality costs what it costs, and the Virpil are some of the best built tools I've ever owned.
CLS-E MK II Joystick TM Hotas - Brunner Shop
The BRUNNER CLS-E MK II Joystick is the most realistic Flight Sim Upgrade you can get! Experience the Force feedback Joystick
www.brunner-innovation.swiss
In the states, Best Buy has the PS4 version of this as a deal of the day today for $47.99. It's currently what I'm using as I too have a wife who watches our finances :).
Tei
Captain
I have mine for around 1,5 year. True I did not used them for some time but when I use them they are properly abused and doing still well.
While I agree that if you have money and are certain that you will stick to using sticks, then yes go for Virpils or VKB.
But I think that it's excellent product for the price if you are just switching from kb+m for the first time.
Wow, WTF is this company?[,,,] truly expensive such as the Brunner. At 1250 Euro these are a bit salty even for whales.
CLS-E MK II Joystick TM Hotas - Brunner Shop
The BRUNNER CLS-E MK II Joystick is the most realistic Flight Sim Upgrade you can get! Experience the Force feedback Joystick
Just looked at this product.... it have less buttons than fingers on one hand..... those pedals also look bit weird... their prices are mad....
Rudder pedals & MK II Joystick Jet bundle | Brunner Shop
Discover the CLS-E Rudder pedals & CLS-E MK II Joystick Jet bundle. The perfect setup for your most realistic flight simulation experience!
www.brunner-innovation.swiss
Shadow Reaper
Space Marshal
Okay so this guy is funny! Where are you from and why have you been hiding from the general forum? I want to buy you a beer. . .and Owl will pay for it.
Shadow Reaper
Space Marshal
What function on flying a spaceship would use feedback? I can see using transducers for shaking your seat when you take a hit, but when would there ever be feedback in a spaceflight sim from a control surface, etc? I just don't get it. Might make sense for a driving sim, but how with a space sim? If a missile hits your aileron, you get a twitch in your hand?
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Absolutely... I have several commands that do multople functions..
The commands, of course. 'come on' in the order that you program them.
Ex: 'Flight Ready' = Enable flight ready - Straff up for 1 second - Raise landing gear
Any keypress (keybaord/mouse or HOTAS) can be progammed in Voice Attack.
Also, you can use multiple commands (makes it easier to remember)
Ex: To press the 'F' key = Open; Close; Activate; Deactivate; Use; Enter; Stow [each MUST end with a ; then a space before the next command - except the last command]
I have no idea what use they would find in a space sim. Don't have them so can't speak to it even for flight sims.
Edit: These are used for professional grade flight sims, the kind that the FAA certify for training pilots. It'd be fun to set up in DCS, methinks..
"..Hiding from the general forum.." self evident answer. And I'd be more than happy to buy Owl a beer - Always a good day when a brother makes it home from deployment.
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Shadow Reaper
Space Marshal
using them for 4 years. They sometimes need some (more?) maintanance work. Had to clean the twist sensor twice.
Personal anecdotes don't prove a general build quality issue. Also you can use them as backup or secondary stick if you don't want to go "all in".
Imho the best entry level stick. If money is no issue anyway go virpil ofc.
Stick setup you can try J2k to enhance your experience with T16000 Check out buzzkiller: https://www.youtube.com/user/BuzZzKiller09/videos)
Two other options are gameglass https://gameglass.gg (i think test has a discount on them, but basic functions are free anyway) or the elgato stream deck
3 of my T16000s trigger buttons were unresponsive after rigorous use so I bought a VKB Gladiator Mk.II as a left stick.
vkbcontrollers.com
Its like 20 euros more than a T16000m but much higher quality imo. Its a lot looser movementwise.
It has a pinky modifier button so more then enough options for me.
I might upgrade to the virpil alphas at some point but not willing to make that investment until we have a semi complete game.
EDIT: It doesnt have HAL but MARS sensors
Gladiator Mk.II – VKBcontrollers.com
vkbcontrollers.com
Its like 20 euros more than a T16000m but much higher quality imo. Its a lot looser movementwise.
It has a pinky modifier button so more then enough options for me.
I might upgrade to the virpil alphas at some point but not willing to make that investment until we have a semi complete game.
EDIT: It doesnt have HAL but MARS sensors
Devil Dog Hog
Space Marshal
UGH! Knuckle dragger Marine Aviation, you fly, break good, me fix, beat with hammer like drum, go fly again, maybe not break this time. Use cheap stick, easy part to replace. Tired now, want more Poggy bait and strippers. bye bye.