Joystick and View Modes / Gimbal vs. Fixed Guns

[Han Burgundy]

No one is using a gaming controller? Seems to me this adds enough buttons that you can fly the gimbal, and IIUC, is what USAF uses for their drones. Can't be all bad. If you put strafe up, down, left and right on the four buttons under your index fingers, left stick to fly and right stick to shoot, should be fine. Press left thumb stick for gun one, right for gun two. Has no one done this?

That is a good thought. I have a Steam controller in the closet gathering dust, so I think I may try to make a mapping for it. It even has all sorts of Shift-functions too, so I could really get crazy with it. (I'm talkin Emote wheel)

 

[Miasmic]

I think if I were using a controller I would want VoiceAttack to go along with it. Otherwise you'd be using the keyboard as well anyways (I assume).

That is a good thought. I have a Steam controller in the closet gathering dust, so I think I may try to make a mapping for it. It even has all sorts of Shift-functions too, so I could really get crazy with it. (I'm talkin Emote wheel)

I've got no experience with that steam controller but it has long interested me. How do you fancy it?

 

[Maxgerber5250]

Thx - I have voice attack but not Track IR. It has by default the "lock gimbals" - so as I mentionned - I will anyway go for fixed guns only. But thanks!

I use ED-tracker. not the best but it works for looking around and for the gimbal at close range.

 

[Maxgerber5250]

I use two Thrustmaster T 16000 M sticks set up as follows
Left stick is strafe forward/back and strafe left/right and twist set up as roll
Right stick is pitch up/down and yaw left/right and twist strafe up/down

Oh damn. Remind me not to jump into stdDev ship and try to fly it, we will all die in a bad way.

 

[Maxgerber5250]

No one is using a gaming controller? Seems to me this adds enough buttons that you can fly the gimbal, and IIUC, is what USAF uses for their drones. Can't be all bad. If you put strafe up, down, left and right on the four buttons under your index fingers, left stick to fly and right stick to shoot, should be fine. Press left thumb stick for gun one, right for gun two. Has no one done this?

ONLY COMMIES USE GAME CONTROLLERS!

 

[Han Burgundy]

I've got no experience with that steam controller but it has long interested me. How do you fancy it?

Well I really don't play many games where I find a controller more comfortable than a keyboard, so my use/experience is limited. I bought it, however, for use with Witcher 3 and I REALLY think the customization on it is super cool. It has two grip buttons underneath that I use as SHIFT commands, so I can customize a shit-ton of macros and whatnot. If you have the time to dick around with that (or download a mapping from the community) then youll probably like it. Main thing i wish it had was a right stick, but oh well.

 

[StdDev]

Oh damn. Remind me not to jump into stdDev ship and try to fly it, we will all die in a bad way.

That is what being TESTie is all about! :)

 

[marcsand2]

So you use strafe instead of throttle up or down? That makes more sense than what I was thinking.

This is only usable for maneuvering. Otherwise you must twist the stick all the time to go forward, not very comfortable.

 

[Blind Owl]

No one is using a gaming controller? Seems to me this adds enough buttons that you can fly the gimbal, and IIUC, is what USAF uses for their drones. Can't be all bad. If you put strafe up, down, left and right on the four buttons under your index fingers, left stick to fly and right stick to shoot, should be fine. Press left thumb stick for gun one, right for gun two. Has no one done this?

I have actually. I really enjoyed how smooth it made flight. Very easy, very fluid. I found combat a bit challenging though, as I didn't feel I could keep up to mouse/keyboard users at all. Those pips we're almost impossible to line up. Now with adjustments to the gaming system, it may be different. I'd recommend trying it, as its basically a dual stick setup, without the twist.

So you use strafe instead of throttle up or down? That makes more sense than what I was thinking.

This is only usable for maneuvering. Otherwise you must twist the stick all the time to go forward, not very comfortable.

Yeah, I basically use the forward/backward strafe for maneuvering. I max throttle when I fly, then strafe around my targets/opponents etc. Or match speed. I still haven't figured out what I like best. I may try a forward/backward on the up/down, but I really like my up/down/left/right strafing, and I find that having them all on the same controller (up/down/left/right axis) gives me the most control.

@marcsand2 probably has pro-tips though. The man is a certified combat genius. :wink:

 

[Doggen]

Gaming controllers are fine for flying around but I found them unusable in combat because the analogue sticks arent precise enough. I only used the regular xbox 360 controller I had lying around so your mileage may.

I also fly dual sticks but have roll bound to left stick twist.I only want x and y axis on right stick for better precision.
Now I kinda have to since right stick doest have a twist anymore :smile:

 

[marcsand2]

I also fly dual sticks but have roll bound to left stick twist.I only want x and y axis on right stick for better precision.
Now I kinda have to since right stick doest have a twist anymore :smile:

Almost the same here, right stick is the flight stick, left stick is the strafe stick. Since both don't have any twist, I use the rudder pedals as roll and the rudder brakes as strafe forward and back. Throttle for throttle, although I also bound the throttle up and down to a thumb switch on my flight stick. I found it a shame to use the throttle as paperweight, so I searched and found nice spot for it.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

So who is flying a fighter with main weapons on gimbal and how are they doing it?

 

[Blind Owl]

Almost the same here, right stick is the flight stick, left stick is the strafe stick. Since both don't have any twist, I use the rudder pedals as roll and the rudder brakes as strafe forward and back. Throttle for throttle, although I also bound the throttle up and down to a thumb switch on my flight stick. I found it a shame to use the throttle as paperweight, so I searched and found nice spot for it.

Marc, how do you get SC to recognize all three controllers? When I go to bind them in advanced, I seem to only get Joystick and joystick (1). There's no joystick (2) for the throttle.
Is there a special step I may be missing?

So who is flying a fighter with main weapons on gimbal and how are they doing it?

Keyboard and mouse I assume. Or left stick and mouse aim.
Otherwise, with joystick, I never use gimbals.

 

[marcsand2]

Marc, how do you get SC to recognize all three controllers? When I go to bind them in advanced, I seem to only get Joystick and joystick (1). There's no joystick (2) for the throttle.
Is there a special step I may be missing?

Do you use target software?

If windows recognizes your sticks, then they will be usable under SC, but....

(type Windows -> joy.cpl to get this)

Every Game Controller gets a Windows Controller ID. SC uses this ID as joystick number. I tried to manipulate this Windows ID, but bad luck
1st Warthog strafe stick
2nd Warthog flight stick
3rd Crosswind rudder pedals
4th MFD right
5th Warthog Throttle
6th MFD left

In SC the controllers are identified as:
1st Warthog strafe stick
2nd Warthog Throttle
3rd Warthog flight stick
4th Crosswind rudder pedals
5th MFD right
6th MFD left

The problem is that if you want to modify inversion, sensitive curves, deadzone or saturation (whatever that is), SC only supports 4 joysticks, it can recognize and bind for me up to 7, but only the first 4 can be modified.
Another problem that occurred was that I have throttle on my Warthog Throttle and strafe forward / back on my rudder pedals. After building my simpit, the rudder pedal moved from 4th controller to 5th controller. Not a big issue, but whenever I used strafe forward, backward or roll, my 0 speed always was -30, my max speed also 180-30. The only way to resolve this problem was to disable the G13 thumbstick so the rudder pedals moved up as 4th controller

 

[Printimus]

I do love me some gimbals when using the mouse. Fixed guns are easier to use when using a HOTAS in my opinion.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I do love me some gimbals when using the mouse.

So you use the keyboard for everything except pointing the gun, which is done with the mouse? And have you flown the Vanguard with the chin gun on swivel this way?

 

[Printimus]

So you use the keyboard for everything except pointing the gun, which is done with the mouse? And have you flown the Vanguard with the chin gun on swivel this way?

I dont have a vanguard and I primarily use M+K unless im just farting around with a Xbox controller.

 

[marcsand2]

So who is flying a fighter with main weapons on gimbal and how are they doing it?

Well, I tried to control the gimballed Revenant with TrackIR, but the Revenants gunfire flashes blinded me so I couldn't see my crosshair.

Correct that. when trying to make the screenshot, I found my crosshair and noticed the difference in Look Ahead

When I go in a full side turn to the left, the crosshair goes to to my left screen. No good for gimball fire there. Maybe the TrackIR is a good option for gimball controls. I definitely must adjust the motion curves to get better responses.

 

[Blind Owl]

Do you use target software?

If windows recognizes your sticks, then they will be usable under SC, but....
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(type Windows -> joy.cpl to get this)

Every Game Controller gets a Windows Controller ID. SC uses this ID as joystick number. I tried to manipulate this Windows ID, but bad luck
1st Warthog strafe stick
2nd Warthog flight stick
3rd Crosswind rudder pedals
4th MFD right
5th Warthog Throttle
6th MFD left

View attachment 7021

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In SC the controllers are identified as:
1st Warthog strafe stick
2nd Warthog Throttle
3rd Warthog flight stick
4th Crosswind rudder pedals
5th MFD right
6th MFD left

The problem is that if you want to modify inversion, sensitive curves, deadzone or saturation (whatever that is), SC only supports 4 joysticks, it can recognize and bind for me up to 7, but only the first 4 can be modified.
Another problem that occurred was that I have throttle on my Warthog Throttle and strafe forward / back on my rudder pedals. After building my simpit, the rudder pedal moved from 4th controller to 5th controller. Not a big issue, but whenever I used strafe forward, backward or roll, my 0 speed always was -30, my max speed also 180-30. The only way to resolve this problem was to disable the G13 thumbstick so the rudder pedals moved up as 4th controller

Alright. I have windows detecting all. Now to see if SC is as well. Thanks Marc.

 

[marcsand2]

Alright. I have windows detecting all. Now to see if SC is as well. Thanks Marc.

not all bindings accept axis or buttons. To go safe, choose a button-binding like: "Keybindings -> Joystick / HOTAS -> Flight - Movement -> Swap Yaw / Roll (Toggle)" and hit a button on your controller. If it binds your controller button, you can check which input# your controller has.