The Last Jedi - Spoilers

[ThomSirveaux]

Alright, here's my two cents:

They picked the wrong person for the Hyperspace Kamikaze maneuver: It should have been Adm. Ackbar or Leia, herself. Holdo seemed like she was in prime position to take up Leia's torch, but nope, she had to suicide the f@#$ out of there because Poe sent Finn and Rose off to Space Monaco to find a super hacker, but came back with the WRONG super hacker who sold the Resistance out in his 10 minutes of screen time.

Snoke was an absolute waste as a villain. In TFA, he's the big baddie; a gigantic hologram that looms over the minor baddies. In TLJ, he's a normal-sized baddie that's killed in the second act. We don't get his back story, we don't know who he is or how such a powerful force user existed outside the knowledge of everyone else (I'm looking at you, Gareth Edwards - just because we don't see characters in the OT, doesn't mean Rogue One characters must have died. Much the same way that Snoke apparently saw the "rise and fall" of the Empire, blah blah blah).

Kylo's "turn" was inevitable, but I did like the nuanced, "The Supreme Leader is dead... Long live the Supreme Leader." And then how Kylo just abused Hux with the force from then on. Like, "Hux, you sniveling pustule of a man... the only reason why you became a general at such a young age was because your daddy was a general..." And, yes, Hux did have some great victories against the Resistance, but he also had some grand failures, as well.

I'm not a fan of Poe's sudden recklessness. It seems... strange. Also, RIP Black One.

I'm also not too happy about them killing off Tallie, AKA Blue Leader. Again, this was a waste of a possible foil character to Poe's Black Leader. Maybe not as good a pilot, but more commanding or concerned for her flight than Dameron.

For people scoffing at the bombs "Falling" on the dreadnought, well, at 7km long, it would have SOME gravity, but probably not like they show in the movie. They really should have just been torpedoes, or a missile barrage or something to that effect. Additionally, the bombs may have some other form of propulsion that wasn't shown in the movie. Either way, they were a magguffin, and the entire scene was "cool", but could have been handled differently.

Luke was awesome. His character took on some traits from both of his masters: Obi-wan and Yoda. He was standoffish, impetuous, and the perfect "old hermit".

That being said, they also totally missed the mark on making Rey's parents "no one". TFA had this big mystery behind her parents, and I feel it was a bit underwhelming to have it turn out that "wait, your parents are already dead on Jakku. They were junkies and drunks..." It seems to be that they're highlighting the "true nature of the force", in that your name doesn't have to be Skywalker in order to be really powerful, which I enjoy, except for the fact that we already have a huuuuge catalogue of Jedi not named Skywalker who were powerful. Disney put the kaibosh on a lot of them, but I'm really, REALLY upset that they essentially made Luke a celibate hermit. He was probably never taught about "having no attachments", outside of Yoda's lesson that he ran out on in ESB. Hell, he should know that not having attachments is probably one reason why the Jedi order was destroyed along side the Republic: if they were allowed to have them, Anakin would have never been so sneaky sneaky about his little fling with Padme and the it would have been welcomed by the Order. Also, it's a great way to make new Jedi.


I am fairly bothered by the whole "Rey went straight to the dark side and didn't even resist" thing, but from the point of view that, "hey Luke, you just started teaching her. What do you expect?!"

The ending was really, REALLY good, and took me completely by surprise. There may have been criticisms here and there, and it felt a little campy when Rey was like, "Alright, moving rocks with my mind..." and other cliche Jedi shit, but hell, it's pretty fitting. The throwback to "No, there is another..." was awesome.

There was a little confusion as to his appearance in the last battle versus Kylo, like, "seriously, dude, you flew halfway across the galaxy to save your sister and the Resistance, but stopped for a dye job and a haircut along the way?" I may have also thought it was a result of his renewed connection with the Force and it rejuvenating him, but nope. Long distance Force projections. In the moment after Kylo brought his blade through Luke, my thought was "Oh damn..." But then, "OH DAYUM!" when it turned out he wasn't really there.


TL;DR: Movie missed the mark in some areas, really hit it in others, and was overall a great film and addition to SW. This is, of course, my opinion, and you are entitled to your own. That being said, don't be a dick and say I or others like me are "wrong" because we liked the film. Additionally, people like me need to respect others for not liking it. Tit for tat.

 

[Dorian Grey]

This is the long version of my "Excited but I left with Blue balls" post. I feel the same way !

 

[Sirus7264]

Alright, here's my two cents:

They picked the wrong person for the Hyperspace Kamikaze maneuver: It should have been Adm. Ackbar or Leia, herself. Holdo seemed like she was in prime position to take up Leia's torch, but nope, she had to suicide the f@#$ out of there because Poe sent Finn and Rose off to Space Monaco to find a super hacker, but came back with the WRONG super hacker who sold the Resistance out in his 10 minutes of screen time.

Snoke was an absolute waste as a villain. In TFA, he's the big baddie; a gigantic hologram that looms over the minor baddies. In TLJ, he's a normal-sized baddie that's killed in the second act. We don't get his back story, we don't know who he is or how such a powerful force user existed outside the knowledge of everyone else (I'm looking at you, Gareth Edwards - just because we don't see characters in the OT, doesn't mean Rogue One characters must have died. Much the same way that Snoke apparently saw the "rise and fall" of the Empire, blah blah blah).

Kylo's "turn" was inevitable, but I did like the nuanced, "The Supreme Leader is dead... Long live the Supreme Leader." And then how Kylo just abused Hux with the force from then on. Like, "Hux, you sniveling pustule of a man... the only reason why you became a general at such a young age was because your daddy was a general..." And, yes, Hux did have some great victories against the Resistance, but he also had some grand failures, as well.

I'm not a fan of Poe's sudden recklessness. It seems... strange. Also, RIP Black One.

I'm also not too happy about them killing off Tallie, AKA Blue Leader. Again, this was a waste of a possible foil character to Poe's Black Leader. Maybe not as good a pilot, but more commanding or concerned for her flight than Dameron.

For people scoffing at the bombs "Falling" on the dreadnought, well, at 7km long, it would have SOME gravity, but probably not like they show in the movie. They really should have just been torpedoes, or a missile barrage or something to that effect. Additionally, the bombs may have some other form of propulsion that wasn't shown in the movie. Either way, they were a magguffin, and the entire scene was "cool", but could have been handled differently.

Luke was awesome. His character took on some traits from both of his masters: Obi-wan and Yoda. He was standoffish, impetuous, and the perfect "old hermit".

That being said, they also totally missed the mark on making Rey's parents "no one". TFA had this big mystery behind her parents, and I feel it was a bit underwhelming to have it turn out that "wait, your parents are already dead on Jakku. They were junkies and drunks..." It seems to be that they're highlighting the "true nature of the force", in that your name doesn't have to be Skywalker in order to be really powerful, which I enjoy, except for the fact that we already have a huuuuge catalogue of Jedi not named Skywalker who were powerful. Disney put the kaibosh on a lot of them, but I'm really, REALLY upset that they essentially made Luke a celibate hermit. He was probably never taught about "having no attachments", outside of Yoda's lesson that he ran out on in ESB. Hell, he should know that not having attachments is probably one reason why the Jedi order was destroyed along side the Republic: if they were allowed to have them, Anakin would have never been so sneaky sneaky about his little fling with Padme and the it would have been welcomed by the Order. Also, it's a great way to make new Jedi.


I am fairly bothered by the whole "Rey went straight to the dark side and didn't even resist" thing, but from the point of view that, "hey Luke, you just started teaching her. What do you expect?!"

The ending was really, REALLY good, and took me completely by surprise. There may have been criticisms here and there, and it felt a little campy when Rey was like, "Alright, moving rocks with my mind..." and other cliche Jedi shit, but hell, it's pretty fitting. The throwback to "No, there is another..." was awesome.

There was a little confusion as to his appearance in the last battle versus Kylo, like, "seriously, dude, you flew halfway across the galaxy to save your sister and the Resistance, but stopped for a dye job and a haircut along the way?" I may have also thought it was a result of his renewed connection with the Force and it rejuvenating him, but nope. Long distance Force projections. In the moment after Kylo brought his blade through Luke, my thought was "Oh damn..." But then, "OH DAYUM!" when it turned out he wasn't really there.


TL;DR: Movie missed the mark in some areas, really hit it in others, and was overall a great film and addition to SW. This is, of course, my opinion, and you are entitled to your own. That being said, don't be a dick and say I or others like me are "wrong" because we liked the film. Additionally, people like me need to respect others for not liking it. Tit for tat.

You didn't say what you thought about Finn's Ark and the casino stuff. Also the sudden change of finn on rey and poe's sudden connection to rey.

 

[Talonsbane]

 

[Crymsan]

Oh and my comment on Kylo is not that he is not an interesting character but about as threatening as your high school bully. It is difficult to see how he would stay in charge of an empire with all the other despots around.

The chase is bad because the "empire" new they where arriving to take out the rebels and yet had no ships with which to actually chase them..(other than through light speed).

Like all scifi films you have to suspend disbelief a lot. It was fun but the bomber scene was stupid (Why do all the big ships have to be so weak) as was the ground cannon so powerful it destroys blast doors but does nothing to a very old battered speeder.....

 

[erchael]

I lack the time to review the movie properly so please forgive the lack of nuance but let's summarize by saying I nearly walked out of the theater during the movie as I found the numerous inconsistencies and plot-holes really hard to swallow.

I like watching a switch-your-brain-off action movie from time to time but this movie was so much visual over content that it failed to be good in my eyes. TL DR : a sugar coated turd sure looks nicer but still tastes like shit...

 

[Pander]

My Thoughts on TLJ

Warning no punctuation as i need to vent

It should have been ackbar doing a sweet suicide run into snokes ship as he is a rebellion hero and needs some big finish if they want to kill him
Although i suppose war isnt really fair but a movie should be satisfying too

Why was c3p0 not on the bridge randomly when it blew up? he is literally always around leia

Holdo should have survived for the next one as a mon mothma figure

Arcing laser guns?

I like finn but a side quest with two random new characters that didn't really get a lot of screen time wasn't that great i would prefer if finn and poe teamed up with bb8 as they are bros and would give the movies alot less of a side quest feel! like empire where it was luke training and the rest of the group surviving.

Luke still being a bit of a bitch annoyed me i wish he was just testing rey like yoda did in the OT movies

No knights of ren with them being shown in the force awakens means they will either have to be shown for a little bit in last movie where we wont care about them at all or not shown at all because the directors couldn't decide between themselves

The plot has not really been pushed forward like OT or Prequels atleast there was meaningful change in those movies its been like a week for these ones with so many new characters and plots fuck knows how the third is going to end

Leia should have been trained as a jedi consular because she is a better character if you look past the action and look into her comics and stuff
But she was too busy trying to restore the republic not being a typical skywalker male bitch Honestly are all male skywalers just about being a bitch? while the woman side of the family (padme and leia I know padme isn't a skywaler but she is part of the family) are about getting shit done whether it be in the senate or leading a resistance

OT totally pointless because we are back to rebels vs empire again leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth when you know its just going to be the same again say what you like about prequels having a shadowy sith organisation working in the shadows was awesome as hell and would work perfectly for the knights of ren doing cool shit to the republic

Im happy with leia surviving the movie as i think it would be a totally disrespectful to kill her off because she passed away after finishing and her life has been a constant struggle of politics and war I hope its mentioned she passes peacefully on some nice planet like naboo or something

Seriously wtf was the point of finns plot get a pro hacker thats in it for all of two seconds then somehow gives away that the rebel transports are escaping seems like a total cop out for a character we dont really like

Evil bb8 just knows these guys are rebels what was the point if the other guy was just gonna give them up anyway

Rian johnson doesn't care what i think about star wars so that makes it okay,

Honestly I loved force awakens it was a star wars movie different planets seedy bars x-wings vs tie fighters my favorite moment in star wars may be xwings and poe coming across the water or the the falcon reveal because it gave me a sense of nostalgia and at the same time something new it was incredible! so its not as tho I hate on new movies rogue, awakens, empire and revenge all have a high place in my heart

This movie just had to many new characters for me, code breaker should have been lando instead of another new character Im happy with the rose chick its nice to add a new character here or there but when you have three holden, DJ and rose with two different subplots its too much.

Seeing Lando with 2 girls on his arm at a casino would have been yes predictable and totally amazing to get the same feel as the falcon reveal

At the same time I loved boba fett he has barely in anh and empire but he was a mystery and built around that that this bad ass bounty hunter
Where DJ just felt like "stick this guy in here because we need a code breaker" its like the movie jaws your imagination is a hell of a lot scarier than the reality and now we know this guy is just an asshole and nothing more so will be taken care of in the next movie adding another fucking subplot to a movie that seems to have a lot going on now anyway

Rey and poe bumping into each other was awkward and should have been dealt with earlier i think

I liked kylo ren he is a good actor and a good bad guy because he has that complication to him its not so black and white with him like vader he is dealing with shit in his own way, hopefully he is just gonna do what he wants and not be a bitch

I was cool with killing snoke and leave a power vaccum between hux and kylo the emperor was only in two movies and still had an impact

We didn't go any further on a vader plot with him which i wasn't super jazzed about I was hoping he would show rey what he saw with vader maybe in the next film although that just adds to the pile of shit to do in 2 - 3 hours

Reys parents seem like a total red herring in force awakens for a total of they are dead in a ditch somewhere then being told that luke can help her or atleast guessing herself

Seriously could we have not made luke a bitch again?

Porgs and silver foxes loved them star wars needs creatures to make it feel real like a full on universe(although porgs are there to sell toys for sure and were not really needed on the falcon but still this is for the young ones as well)

A Kylo vs Poe fight in fighters would have been an awesome addition to that scene to show either how good poe is to go toe to toe with a force user or how good kylo is just in general being a skywalker and at the same time get some more fighter action in before a jump to hypersapace or something he is a pilot for fuck sake let him do what he is good at rather than this boring sub plot imagine a plot where poe feels guilt for letting kylo and his fighters hit the bridge and letting leadership die then is forced into a position he is isn't ready for you could do that in a few scenes like with awakens,

The fleet has 18 hours of fuel but rey spends days with luke...... come on

Leia shooting poe was pretty good she is still a bad ass with a head wound

Yoda coming back was amazing and probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie followed by the fight with the guard but honestly that's all i can remember really enjoying possibly freeing the space horses but its hard not to like a scene like that

Seriously luke is still a bitch and hasn't been visited by yoda yet or obi-wan at all? or even anakin to help steer him in a good direction?
He is at the literal birth place of the jedi and a force council would have been totally bad ass!

In return of the jedi luke throws his lightsaber away because he knows he can redeem his father, he goes there willing to try knowing the terrible things vader has done and what could happen to him, and now he has a moment of weakness with his own nephew? I just cant see him trying this. Snoke may be super evil but so was the emperor he was a pycho who disappeared for certain lengths of time to go on murder sprees its hinted at so don't tell me because a bad man twists his mind he just gives up its the whole fucking plot of return of the jedi.

Rey and kylo plot totally fine being connected on the force like that added some cool mystery to it,

I think that's everything

Apologies for bad punctuation i have just never been annoyed at something like this before

 

[BluePilote]

I saw it yesterday and i think it was not so bad... yes they should have cut the casino scene, more ray piss off the local keeper, cutting leia (floating)...

But a good one

 

[ThomSirveaux]

You didn't say what you thought about Finn's Ark and the casino stuff. Also the sudden change of finn on rey and poe's sudden connection to rey.

Absolutely unnecessary. It felt a little forced, and I hated the fact that BDT's character was only in the movie for about 10 minutes. If someone was making that short of a cameo, it should have been an established canon character like Lando, (great idea @Pander ) or maybe pull someone from Legends into canon.

And Poe's sudden connection with Rey? Dude, she's a freakin badass force-wielding hottie, and he's the greatest fighter pilot in the galaxy. If they DON'T have a ubermench force-pilot baby, I will be severely disappointed. That being said, yeah, it was a little forced. Finn's sudden switch from "Rey is BAE" to "Rose is Okay, too" was a little... well, like 15 year old me flip-flopping between the hot girl who would tease me but never show interest beyond that, and an old friend who wasn't as "good looking" but almost worshiped the ground I walked on... it's a tough choice for a teenager... Finn, on the other hand, should really be written as a strong male lead. I get it, he's a former stormtrooper and has never been in a "relationship"... but when you think about it, he's the damsel in distress, and he's written about as clunky as Jack Bauer's daughter in 24: gets into trouble every episode/hour, and needs rescuing.

 

[AstroGimp01]

@ThomSirveaux that is really the crux of this, more TLJ then TFA, the male characters are either weak (good guys - Luke, Finn, Han) or snivelling whiners (Bad Guys - Hux, Ben) with the lone exception of Poe who has gone from uber-spy baddest M'Fer in the Valley to a reckless obsessive punk who needs the estrogen brigade to square him away and save him from his toxic masculinity.

Rian Johnson has explained away most of the criticism's as some sort of 'too-many characters from OT and TFA' so I just killed or ignored whatever I couldn't figure out how to use, which turns out to have been far too much for my taste and apparently millions of other real fans of the franchise.

Maybe next time they shouldn't hire a lazy director who lacks empathy for the franchise and the fanbase and can't create a cohesive vision that actually fits in with the movie(s) before it and the one(s) that will follow.

TLJ will eventually be regarded in the same vein as the odd numbered Star Trek movies or the first Spiderman reboot (post Tobey Maguire).

'Gimp

 

[ThomSirveaux]

This video really hits on everything I like about the movie:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdl4pAtno4


Additionally, in regard to people's questions about how the First Order was suddenly so powerful and vast:

SW:BF2's latest DLC answers a lot of those questions in the campaign: Project Resurrection. Apparently, Palpatine had an "ace up his sleeve" when he put the plans for the First Order into motion. Either that or whomever laid the groundwork for them to come back from the Unknown Regions (Yes, the Empire retreats into the Unknown Regions after the events of ROTJ and BF2, where it regroups and becomes the First Order, which I believe is named because it was the First Order of Palp's new vision... you know, after he was killed off...)

Project Resurrection was the systematic kidnapping of children across the outer rim and training them to become stormtroopers. The campaign showed that it was the brainchild of Protectorate Gleb, who was then killed once her usefulness was used up. The FO began kidnapping children a few years after the Empire disappeared, swelling the ranks of the Stormtrooper corps to the tens of millions. They waited until everyone was nice and trained and then BOOM, appeared from the Unknown Regions and started taking over the galaxy, again.

As far as "How did they get so many ships?" well, that wasn't touched on, but I'm assuming that the Empire took with them sizeable resources and tech, and continued to develop that and incorporating anything they found while out in the UR.

 

[erchael]

This video really hits on everything I like about the movie:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdl4pAtno4


Additionally, in regard to people's questions about how the First Order was suddenly so powerful and vast:

SW:BF2's latest DLC answers a lot of those questions in the campaign: Project Resurrection. Apparently, Palpatine had an "ace up his sleeve" when he put the plans for the First Order into motion. Either that or whomever laid the groundwork for them to come back from the Unknown Regions (Yes, the Empire retreats into the Unknown Regions after the events of ROTJ and BF2, where it regroups and becomes the First Order, which I believe is named because it was the First Order of Palp's new vision... you know, after he was killed off...)

Project Resurrection was the systematic kidnapping of children across the outer rim and training them to become stormtroopers. The campaign showed that it was the brainchild of Protectorate Gleb, who was then killed once her usefulness was used up. The FO began kidnapping children a few years after the Empire disappeared, swelling the ranks of the Stormtrooper corps to the tens of millions. They waited until everyone was nice and trained and then BOOM, appeared from the Unknown Regions and started taking over the galaxy, again.

As far as "How did they get so many ships?" well, that wasn't touched on, but I'm assuming that the Empire took with them sizeable resources and tech, and continued to develop that and incorporating anything they found while out in the UR.

I'm sorry I have to strongly disagree -not with your factual retelling of their explanation but with that explanation in itself-.

By the same "logic", it should be simple to win any war : draft as many (unwilling and human-only) men/women from sparsely populated regions -in comparison to core/central population areas-, stay protected and ignored by being far away and not noticable -while depopulating wide areas or generating litterally hundred millions of potential ennemies/informers (the abducted relatives)-, while being at the same time close enough and with enough logistics, agricultural and industrial power to raid, brainwash, feed and equip a whole new army...

It's totaly disregarding any and all military theory, logistics, real life and historical examples and even in-universe lore : in the OT, the Empire was galaxy-spanning and it was only the growing discontent and the need to spread it's -nevertheless immense- manpower and fleets over huge expanses that gave some rebel groups -and our heroes- a feeble fighting chance -and the Empire defeat only happened "out of sheer luck" (=the Force) after treason, mystical powers and overconfidence joined forces to allow it-.

Now, whatever government replaced the Empire should be dominant and the first order in the role of the challenger at best -as for example was depicted in Thrawn's trilogy, making up their strength disadvantage by political/military maneuvering and dividing their foes.

It's only because of an abysmal bad script and a total lack of any imagination combined with the goal of an easy cash grab that they repeated the only situation they knew worked in previous movies : our "heroes" as underdogs, the big bad guys as all-powerful and coherence and logic be damned, as they are only selling movies to fans/sf geeks/children/escapists for who they seem to have the uttermost disrespect...

 

[Bruce]

I'm not sure that disney in general takes a swag on plausibility of their scenarios ( it doesn't pay off ... ) same as bombs from bombers are definitely not magnetic etc. but with earlier examples I would easily believe that storm troopers are trained exactly same way as first generation of storm troopers was trained and abducting kids etc is just a cover-up for the mass clone-like storm trooper production , and massive space ships are complete and utter non-sense all together ( gigantic concentration of resources , people , firepower etc. that could be killed by a cruiser at lightspeed :) )

 

[ThomSirveaux]

I'm sorry I have to strongly disagree -not with your factual retelling of their explanation but with that explanation in itself-.

Noted

By the same "logic", it should be simple to win any war : draft as many (unwilling and human-only) men/women from sparsely populated regions -in comparison to core/central population areas-, stay protected and ignored by being far away and not noticable -while depopulating wide areas or generating litterally hundred millions of potential ennemies/informers (the abducted relatives)-, while being at the same time close enough and with enough logistics, agricultural and industrial power to raid, brainwash, feed and equip a whole new army...

The In-Universe Explanation makes sense when you realize that the Unknown Regions are just that: unknown. They're Outside of the galaxy, itself. Additionally, they were only kidnapping children from outer rim worlds (of which, there are thousands of populated worlds), in batches over nearly two decades. The "first wave" of Storm Troopers they "recruited" and trained from "birth" are now ready, which is why they started launching their offensive.

It's totaly disregarding any and all military theory, logistics, real life and historical examples and even in-universe lore : in the OT, the Empire was galaxy-spanning and it was only the growing discontent and the need to spread it's -nevertheless immense- manpower and fleets over huge expanses that gave some rebel groups -and our heroes- a feeble fighting chance -and the Empire defeat only happened "out of sheer luck" (=the Force) after treason, mystical powers and overconfidence joined forces to allow it-.

Well, there's also the fact that building not one but two Death Stars kind of bankrupted the Empire, making it difficult to bolster the already thinly spread forces across the galaxy. This made it significantly harder for regional governors to maintain control in their local systems.

Now, whatever government replaced the Empire should be dominant and the first order in the role of the challenger at best -as for example was depicted in Thrawn's trilogy, making up their strength disadvantage by political/military maneuvering and dividing their foes.

Well, the Republic was pretty dominant... until Starkiller base destroyed the system they were in and pretty much wiped out the government and fleet. Why didn't they send a fleet to respond to Starkiller base in the first place? Well, a scene from TFA showed Korr Sella on one of the planets in the Hosnian system as it was destroyed, and apparently, the novel Bloodlines (which I haven't read) goes into some detail as to why Leia had to form her own "resistance" movement: people found out she was Darth Vader's daughter and she lost all credibility, after that. Korr Sella went to the Republic to ask for help, and to tell them about Starkiller base, but "Whoops", she was a bit too late.

It's only because of an abysmal bad script and a total lack of any imagination combined with the goal of an easy cash grab that they repeated the only situation they knew worked in previous movies : our "heroes" as underdogs, the big bad guys as all-powerful and coherence and logic be damned, as they are only selling movies to fans/sf geeks/children/escapists for who they seem to have the uttermost disrespect...

That's just like, your opinion, man... For what it's worth, seeing the movie and how it's about Balance in the Force really put it in a different perspective for me. As I have said before, I have plenty of gripes with it, but it's still an overall positive experience. If this was really a cash grab, they would have put out a script and movie far inferior to what we actually got.

 

[Blind Owl]

well ... it has a huge revelation ... it could be that night owl isn't night owl at all and he is a porg :slight_smile:

I recently heard that there is a theory in which the Porg are secretly the master manipulators & weavers of the force all while seeming cute & adorable. Your theory seems to almost mirror the other except instead @Blind Owl being a master weaver of the force he is the adorable deity of the "LIKE" button. (who happens to be fueled by seemingly endless amounts of alcohol.)

You two have found me out, haha.

I have to disagree here. I think Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is one of the best villians we've had in Star Wars, and maybe one of the best characters overall. He's so conflicted and torn between his Light side (killing Snoke to save Rey, obviously being conflicted about shooting the Resistance cruiser to kill his mother) and the Dark side (taking over the First Order to be Supreme Leader, trying to "kill" the Sith and Jedi to start again). He's a young man with the weight of several worlds on his shoulder, who was dealing with normal teenage angst when he woke up and thought his uncle, who was probably closer to him than his own father was, was trying to kill him. No wonder he's so fucked up and emotional.

Concur, strongly.

I think this at least makes sense. The Mon Calamari cruisers the Rebels/Resistance uses are much much smaller than the Star Destroyers the First Order uses. It makes sense that a lightly armed cruiser would have a faster sublight speed than the big bulky behemoths. The only plot hole I see is why the First Order didn't send a wing of TIE bombers with fighter escorts after the cruiser, since even the relatively slower Empire-era TIE/sa and TIE/LN ships could outstrip even the Falcon in sublight speed or atmo speed. Since Kylo had destroyed the Resistance cruisers fighter bay, it should have been relatively easy pickings for a wing of bombers to blow the ship to smithereens.

They did touch on the cruiser being out of range of the Tie's, hence Kylo having to break off his attack and RTB. Still, they didn't look to be that far apart . . .

That being said, they also totally missed the mark on making Rey's parents "no one". TFA had this big mystery behind her parents, and I feel it was a bit underwhelming to have it turn out that "wait, your parents are already dead on Jakku. They were junkies and drunks..." It seems to be that they're highlighting the "true nature of the force", in that your name doesn't have to be Skywalker in order to be really powerful, which I enjoy, except for the fact that we already have a huuuuge catalogue of Jedi not named Skywalker who were powerful.

I don'y know if they missed the mark. I think I like the entire premise of Rey "coming from nothing". It means she gets to be something on her own, rather than something because of her legacy. I personally love what they've done with the character development. Getting into the shades of grey (hehe, Shades of Rey) rather than this completely dark/light. Having conflicted characters makes for relate-able characters. I could never truly empathize with someone completely dark or completely light. It's too unrealistic to my mind.

Or, her parents "reveal" could be a red herring . . .

 

[Injustice]

Just saw the film yesterday, and my overall opinion is that I enjoyed it.

My only complaints is that I wanted a little more from Snoke, either some backstory or something. And Organa's force flight back to the ship, I literally said WTF when she did that.

But overall I was happy with it, I'm glad I got to see it and look forward to the next one.

 

[zeddie]

Just watched it yesterday night.
I now get some of the memes that spawned this past weekend (the broom toy, Luke throwing away the saber, etc)

I liked it overall. It's definitely not my favourite, and I can see why a lot of people think it was bad. I don't usually get hang up on bad parts of anything (that being games, movies, or TV series) so they usually don't bother me as much.

 

[Printimus]

I just love that it didnt follow the traditional storyline and that it opened it up to sooooo much more at the end.

 

[Blind Owl]

I just love that it didnt follow the traditional storyline and that it opened it up to sooooo much more at the end.

Amen to that!

 

[Printimus]

Amen to that!

Now disney can take the movies into virtually almost any direction, they arnt tied up with the same old storyline. Should make for a decently diverse and interesting next few movies.