The Problem with Capital ships

[Xist]

The Talis don't come with torpedoes, but that doesn't mean you should consider flying them naked. Fuel is probably another thing you'll need to purchase.

If someone is an Idris captain stupid enough to fly their Idris into an enemy entrapment without even having fighters onboard... then it's not the Idris whose ineptitude we should be discussing. :)

 

[Montoya]

If someone is an Idris captain stupid enough to fly their Idris into an enemy entrapment without even having fighters onboard

You called?

 

[Xist]

You called?

:P

The day I lose an Idris this way, please be sure to remind me of this thread. :)

I'm sure it will happen to everyone. Just, probably not when they're sober.

 

[DcTrojan72]

DID YOU EVER NOTICE HOW ALL THREADS DETERIORATE INTO MEANINGLESS DRIVEL?

Spoiler

Oh well..............

This is what we do best... the most we can be serious is naming a thread.. after that.... well you know.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

How did you fix your text???? copy an "a" and paste it everywhere where it was missing :p

The missing letter ky workd for n hour lsrt night but is not working gin tody. nd severl other keys ren't working, includiing the delete. Must be ll the beer got the keybord sick.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

3-4 Super Hornets don't come as a package with the Idris. That's the reason I didn't include them in the comparison. If you want to add that on, that's fine, as long as you add an equal number of escort fighters to the Talis. And because of the Talis better ability to handle fighters, in general, than the Idris, I'd guess they"d go down with no loss of Talis and have several fighters left over, but there's no way I can prove that. I think, too, you underestimate how quick the Talis are.

My problem with the Tlis hs lwys been they re so slow. They hve hlf the engine of the Conny nd lmost three times the mss. They hve the dsme engines s the Redeemer, nd more thn four times the mss. Retliros re very slow.

 

[marcsand2]

The missing letter ky workd for n hour lsrt night but is not working gin tody. nd severl other keys ren't working, includiing the delet. Must be ll the beer got the keybord sick.

copy, paste and cut can fix that as long as the [CTRL] works :D
What a shame!!!! You spilled beer!!!! Next time try cola ;)

 

[ratfeast]

Its written of 3 SH afaik -> https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4dnwc4/updated_idris_stats_from_ben/

But with only 5 turrets and one railgun I believe she is way underpowered to defend against or even attack multiple (smaller) targets. An Idris imho will only make sense as an escort of a bigger ship i.e. 2 x Idris aside of a Javelin.

I agree, and the main problem is that her primary weapon is fixed, and she turns to slowly to hit something like aTalis, that combined with poor AA makes her very vulnerable.

 

[ratfeast]

My problem with the Tlis hs lwys been they re so slow. They hve hlf the engine of the Conny nd lmost three times the mss. They hve the dsme engines s the Redeemer, nd more thn four times the mss. Retliros re very slow.

The problem that causes is that they are slow to accelerate, as long as you can get up to speed, their maneuvering is fine. If you look at the Idris with half the acceleration and poor maneuvering, you wonder why such a big target costs so much?

 

[ratfeast]

My problem with the Tlis hs lwys been they re so slow. They hve hlf the engine of the Conny nd lmost three times the mss. They hve the dsme engines s the Redeemer, nd more thn four times the mss. Retliros re very slow.

You need to read The Wonderful O , I think that's by James Thurber. Your problem reminds me of that book.

 

[ratfeast]

The Talis don't come with torpedoes, but that doesn't mean you should consider flying them naked. Fuel is probably another thing you'll need to purchase.

They do if you have that module.

 

[Bigcracker]

The guy in the video makes some valid points. But he is missing the point of capital ships in my opinion. A capital should never be on the front all the time, In TEST I bet most of our capital ships will work like world war 2 aircraft carriers supporting groups of people taking off in fighters,bombers and troop transports to take over stations and proclaim them for our org and defend what we have captured be it station,asteroid belt etc.

Also he talks about the MIS freelancer and such causing damage to a capital ship. But do you really think those tiny rockets will even get passed the shields of a Idris ( Those missiles the MIS uses needs 2 to even kill most fighters, and the Tali Torpedo doesnt even one shot a connie)? Imo it will be like using a hand grenade against a tank. Our capital ships will not need to explore, trade, or whatever because it will be protecting our organizations interests which will be make our money. Also Flying into the sun for science.

 

[Black Sunder]

Lets be completely honest here about the problem with capital ships: None of them are Imperial Star Destroyers.

mic drop

 

[Thugari]

Lets be completely honest here about the problem with capital ships: None of them are Imperial Star Destroyers.

mic drop

We are test, we wont be happy till we get a death star, minus the faulty exhaust port of course.

 

[SeungRyul]

We have a lot of Javelins and Idris. The problem is more the number of people it takes to run them.

I'm sure we can field just about any type of fleet we want.

And you're right, in many cases different types of fleets will fare better than others - not just "biggest ship wins".

We also have friends :)

 

[Xist]

The problem that causes is that they are slow to accelerate, as long as you can get up to speed, their maneuvering is fine. If you look at the Idris with half the acceleration and poor maneuvering, you wonder why such a big target costs so much?

It costs so much because CIG wanted to limit the number of Idris in the verse. Same with the Javelin.

They don't price ships directly based on their position in the shootout hierarchy. In fact, they try hard to make sure this game isn't just a "by the bigger ship to win" game.

They have stated this innumerable times. :)

 

[ratfeast]

The guy in the video makes some valid points. But he is missing the point of capital ships in my opinion. A capital should never be on the front all the time, In TEST I bet most of our capital ships will work like world war 2 aircraft carriers supporting groups of people taking off in fighters,bombers and troop transports to take over stations and proclaim them for our org and defend what we have captured be it station,asteroid belt etc.

Also he talks about the MIS freelancer and such causing damage to a capital ship. But do you really think those tiny rockets will even get passed the shields of a Idris ( Those missiles the MIS uses needs 2 to even kill most fighters, and the Tali Torpedo doesnt even one shot a connie)? Imo it will be like using a hand grenade against a tank. Our capital ships will not need to explore, trade, or whatever because it will be protecting our organizations interests which will be make our money. Also Flying into the sun for science.

The problem is not with carriers, I think they can earn their keep because of their flexibility. The other capital ships are the problem. The are locked into warring, whether defensive or aggressive.The Torpedoes aren't working correctly at present.

 

[BigTex]

for every idris you will need support such as two star farers to fuel the fleet one for the idris and the other to fuel the fleet may need 3 total. the idris and javlin will also need a corvette support for long distance to support its fighters. Also will need need 8 scout ships preferably stealth so they can pair up as flying alone is a bad idea. you will also need a few connies or carrak ships that have atleast two escorts for exploration. your going to need two advanced tracker ships that head out with the scouts while keeping a distance from the scouts. your going to need a repair ship, hospital ship and cargo ships to carry millions of dollars worth of cargo so people can make some cash. i'm sure there are more ships to consider.

bottom line when you bring a corvette or capital ship your support team is is going to be huge. but the possibilities to make money with success are going to be higher with such a crew.

ps i dont have a capslock one this notepad.

 

[rogesh]

I think the idris is made to be a artillery ship against other caps an thus is not going to be in the main brawl. So in the best case never sees a fight up close... It shouldn't be facing any tali or any enemy ship directly.
I think of it more being a sniper or something similar

Edit: and the few ships it can carry are more of a backup till the real defence comes