I'm really dumb. I don't get what you're trying to say. ELI5 (Explain like I'm 5 please).
Coronavirus COVID-19 Thread
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Why do you folks act like this is proprietary. Its not... you can get the per capita with a click of the button. Anyone, could do it, including my dad.
Premier Francois Legault of Quebec and his buffoonish Chief Medical Officer Horacio Arruda really dropped the ball here. This is the province with over 60% of our Covid19 deaths.
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Im not sure what you are arguing with me about.
Per capita, not per 100k.
If you want to argue with the author of the piece, you can, Ill post the link for you.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Per capita, not per 100k.
If you want to argue with the author of the piece, you can, Ill post the link for you.
Sweden becomes country with highest coronavirus death rate per capita over past seven days
Sweden has 6.08 deaths per million inhabitants, higher than the UK, USA and Italy
I'm still not sure what you're trying to say? You linked some numbers about per 100k deaths, numbers you yourself say we have access to. What is your point in highlighting said numbers?
Leave me alone! I'm attacking Quebec and their Filthy French Ways!STOP ATTACKING AMERICA!!!
disclaimer: I actually love Quebec. Love my Quebecois bros. Je me souviens!
My point is that you are calling them idiots, 3 months in... what if this last years and 90% of the Sweden population has been exposed (antibodies) and Canada only has 10% of its population with Antibodies. A wave hits in 2022, that is the same virus. Should Sweden laugh at you for your pain, NO. There are people smarter than all of us fixing this problem, even though the methods may differ.
Let me do this in my head (3 beers in). Sweden has around 10 million people and ~4k have died. Canada has around 35 million with 6k deaths. Let me swag this... hold on to your pants
10/30 = 3
I expect 3 time the death of Canada to the deaths of Sweden. (~3.2 or something)
so... 3x4 = 12k if Sweden had the same population as Canada.
I know... "Tom, your making my point, man!"
or I would expect 2x3 = 6k
So they (sweden) have a higher death rate... DUH... 10 million people with 3.8k death vs Canada at 35 million with 6k deaths. 10/30 = 3 (highly scientific), we know that anything over 2k deaths in Sweden exceeds Canada rate... so Sweden has a higher death rate... is it significant? Not enough info to make a good case.
China is kicking ASS look how good they are!
They have as many covid-19 cases as Canada... WOW they are amazing, they are our saviors says Canada!
If I were a threat analyst for the government of the United States, I would say this was a direct attack to the US.
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This is where it gets fancy... I remember you folks busting my balls when I tried to argue this a couple months back.
Let me do this in my head (3 beers in). Sweden has around 10 million people and ~4k have died. Canada has around 35 million with 6k deaths. Let me swag this... hold on to your pants
10/30 = 3
I expect 3 time the death of Canada to the deaths of Sweden. (~3.2 or something)
so... 3x4 = 12k if Sweden had the same population as Canada.
I know... "Tom, your making my point, man!"
or I would expect 2x3 = 6k
So they (sweden) have a higher death rate... DUH... 10 million people with 3.8k death vs Canada at 35 million with 6k deaths. 10/30 = 3 (highly scientific), we know that anything over 2k deaths in Sweden exceeds Canada rate... so Sweden has a higher death rate... is it significant? Not enough info to make a good case.
China is kicking ASS look how good they are!
They have as many covid-19 cases as Canada... WOW they are amazing, they are our saviors says Canada!
If I were a threat analyst for the government of the United States, I would say this was a direct attack to the US.
This is where it gets fancy... I remember you folks busting my balls when I tried to argue this a couple months back.
Guess my dad is smarter than you - I am just teasing because I said my dad could figure it out.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
considering at least one person died of alcohol poisoning that had the virus and was counted initially as a COVID-19 death, then yes, I think they should look at the metric. However, you do need to include those that died to something related to COVID-19, even if it wasn't the virus or the immune reaction directly.
That said, how many without the disease have died from something they might have been saved from before due to the additional time needed for first responders to actually start treatments? How many didn't go to a doctor or ER when they should have because they were afraid of catching it and died as a result? Should they be counted as pandemic deaths? An argument can be made for yes.
That's the problem, it's not just a hard and fast number, but one that can be manipulated by media, politicians, and even scientists. While MANY people are just wanting to do help out and dp what is "right", there are varying ideas of what is "right", and what one person thinks is right, is not what another thinks is right, and nigher one is necessarily wrong or bad.
I don't think anyone here is calling Swedes 'idiots'. I mean maybe @Montoya is because some Swedish blonde turned him down in a past but I don't think the rest of us are!
All jokes aside, we're just not sure that Sweden's 'Open' policy has proved CONCLUSIVELY that it's the right strategy to deal with Covid19. There's even rumblings within Sweden that this isn't the right policy to pursue and that it isn't enough to build up herd immunity. The link that I highlighted is from a Conservative site mind you before you go off about media biases.
I also don't understand why you're defending Sweden's approach to Covid19 like your country's honor depends on it. Are you trying to say that the US should or can replicate the Swedish model?
Pointless ad hominem aside....yeah your dad is probably smarter then me. I was never the smartest of my parents' children. Got me there bud.Guess my dad is smarter than you - I am just teasing because I said my dad could figure it out.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
What makes your method superior 3 months in. I am defending them against you folks because you are like George Bush... mishun accomplished speech. You are not superior (i know you do not think you are) and neither is your solution at this point.
I'm a dumb ass too... but, sometimes the arrogance of people on this thread can motivate me.
Me: Sweden has highest mortality rate per capita (shows link to article)
Colddog: You arrogant asshole!
Colddog: You arrogant asshole!
What method 3 months in? lol
Solutions? I'm not offering any solutions haha. If I'm smart enough to do that, I'll be a public health official and not some random dude sparring online with other random dudes.
What I do think is that the Swedish model is not the CONCLUSIVE strategy to deal with Covid19. Notice how there aren't that many Western countries talking about 'herd immunity' anymore. PM Boris Johnson for one and the Tories in the UK have completely stopped talking about that. Even if you wanna replicate what Sweden is doing, most countries in the world don't have the unique characteristics to do so (Sparsely populated, strong social safety net, strong public health care, civic minded population, etc).
Honestly all this talk about Sweden is pointless. If you're gonna look at 'herd immunity' you should look at poorer countries like India and Ecuador. Countries that realistically can't exercise social distancing among their population. Even then India did lock down the country (to devastating results to the poor) for a short period of time.
Obviously, you folks have it all figured out. We do not need scientists, only msnbc, cnbc, and mother jones.