. . .that posting on this subject will get your thread locked down by our amazing monitors. Hence, giving the subject of climate change its own thread is far better than polluting an existing one.
So, on Climate Change, or as it used to be called, Anthropogenic Global Warming. AGW was the preferred term in the 90’s when I was TAing a class at PSU in Environmental Ethics. Global Warming was one of the hot button environmentalist issues of that time. This is back when environmentalism meant more than banning plastic straws only to have paper lids replaced with plastic. Once upon a time sane and sober people cared about the environment. No longer. Now everyone pretends to know and care, but it is only pretense. Real environmentalism has gone by the wayside, as it’s been replaced by religious fervor, vacant claims and fear-mongering. As example of our detachment to environmentalist issues, I defy anyone here to demonstrate some handy facility with the actual facts of climate change. I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Tell me what you know about Climategate, or how much CO2 is too much CO2, or what is the “hockey stick” argument. Tell me anything resembling science. You’ve had forty years to make sense of the issue, yet despite most have had all their adult lives to learn about what they present as urgent and important, 99/100 people don’t actually know anything. It’s just easier to regurgitate what you’ve been told and pretend zealotry is earnest effort.
Back in the day, we fought over real issues. We replaced Freon refrigerant with something that wasn’t destroying the ozone layer. We replaced leaded gas with unleaded. We got rid of leaded paint. We created catalytic converters to stop the sulfuric acid coming from cars decimating our forests. We stopped DDT killing Eagles, and greedy lumber companies chopping down the last of the most ancient trees. We all but ended starvation—globally. We eliminated dozens of diseases. We all but stopped the harvesting of whales, and created the Clean Air and Water Acts, and the Toxic Cleanup Superfund, and we Americans basically led the way toward coping appropriately with the worst of the chemical revolution. We stepped up and safeguarded the planet.
You young people dropped the ball. You stopped getting science degrees and started misrepresenting science like religious zealots. All the scientists left GreenPeace because it decided it’s religious dogma mattered more than science and common sense.
So here’s what I know. First hand, having been a devoted environmentalist for fifty years, who actually has the science skills and experience to judge, I know this take by Dr Lindzen is the most accurate and best take on this subject you’ll ever find. Experience dictates that 97% of all scientists agree with whomever the fuck is paying them. The last 3% are like Lindzen—they tell the truth.
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So, on Climate Change, or as it used to be called, Anthropogenic Global Warming. AGW was the preferred term in the 90’s when I was TAing a class at PSU in Environmental Ethics. Global Warming was one of the hot button environmentalist issues of that time. This is back when environmentalism meant more than banning plastic straws only to have paper lids replaced with plastic. Once upon a time sane and sober people cared about the environment. No longer. Now everyone pretends to know and care, but it is only pretense. Real environmentalism has gone by the wayside, as it’s been replaced by religious fervor, vacant claims and fear-mongering. As example of our detachment to environmentalist issues, I defy anyone here to demonstrate some handy facility with the actual facts of climate change. I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Tell me what you know about Climategate, or how much CO2 is too much CO2, or what is the “hockey stick” argument. Tell me anything resembling science. You’ve had forty years to make sense of the issue, yet despite most have had all their adult lives to learn about what they present as urgent and important, 99/100 people don’t actually know anything. It’s just easier to regurgitate what you’ve been told and pretend zealotry is earnest effort.
Back in the day, we fought over real issues. We replaced Freon refrigerant with something that wasn’t destroying the ozone layer. We replaced leaded gas with unleaded. We got rid of leaded paint. We created catalytic converters to stop the sulfuric acid coming from cars decimating our forests. We stopped DDT killing Eagles, and greedy lumber companies chopping down the last of the most ancient trees. We all but ended starvation—globally. We eliminated dozens of diseases. We all but stopped the harvesting of whales, and created the Clean Air and Water Acts, and the Toxic Cleanup Superfund, and we Americans basically led the way toward coping appropriately with the worst of the chemical revolution. We stepped up and safeguarded the planet.
You young people dropped the ball. You stopped getting science degrees and started misrepresenting science like religious zealots. All the scientists left GreenPeace because it decided it’s religious dogma mattered more than science and common sense.
So here’s what I know. First hand, having been a devoted environmentalist for fifty years, who actually has the science skills and experience to judge, I know this take by Dr Lindzen is the most accurate and best take on this subject you’ll ever find. Experience dictates that 97% of all scientists agree with whomever the fuck is paying them. The last 3% are like Lindzen—they tell the truth.
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