INFITAC

[Ayeteeone]

Well, Massad Ayoob is the guy who used to teach “blind fighting” back in the 80’s. I would not be surprised to learn he dropped that name since “indexing” is more accurate, but that’s what I was referring to. It’s dicey, and in general a last resort, IMHO.

Fair. His training has developed over the years as case law and real world incidents changed the landscape. His focus on surviving the incident hasn't changed, but certainly the teaching about how to survive both the attack and the legal aftermath has evolved.

I'm all for tools that help you gather information, and/or tip the event in your favor. If a laser can convince the dude to leave, that's a win. If thermal shows where he is so I can NOT be there, that's a win. If I can buy a ticket to Hawaii beforehand and be on the beach instead of in the fight, that's a win..

And to be fair, if you discover someone in your home at night, you should not just execute them. You should make them beg first and maybe surrender. Surrender is much better than killing. As we all know, live bounties are worth more than cold corpses.

How’s that for epic shit talking?

Dis' is why we play games!!

 

[Yex]

Here is the problem. They go through a neighborhood and shoot at their rivals, but end up hitting innocents like kids and mothers. This is not cleaning up their own mess, this is hurting people who don't deserve it.

Yeah I don't really have a view on it, I lived through the troubles and haven't seen anything nearly as bad since. World seems pretty safe to me :)

But it's insanely complicated to get your hands on a minigun

Had to laugh a little. I think owning a tank might be more useful, you could do some like extreme gardening with it at least

In short, history. The folks who wrote our documents here had enough of the guy in charge of your part of the world at that time, and had an desire for 'the common man' to retain the ability to physically fight back when it got bad enough. It's a fairly well established thing with humanity that on the numbers, governments are the largest killer of their own people. If you doubt, just look around the planet today. It's not changed much.

The flip side of that right (any right!) is responsibility, and being human many of us ain't good at that. So the arguments go back and forth endlessly about what is 'best'.

Ah well we had enough shortly after too!
"The right to bear arms", yeah I just don't really get it - but as I said before, that's what a big husband is for.
Big ole bear arms

 

[Sky Captain]

Dunno for home defense. Would I take time to put on thermal or would I just go it? If I can stumble around the house drunk in the dark and survive I’ve think I’ve got it covered otherwise. So I’d probably go for the pistol loaded with 410 shot for quick defense first. The double barrels are the tanks if needed! Thermal? I will think on it.

 

[Mudhawk]

Had to laugh a little. I think owning a tank might be more useful,

Ah well, the minigun would be usefull for them damn pidgeons.
You should have a look at me cute lil car.
Damn those airborne rats.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

It’s all in good fun to make these jokes, but I would point out to those finger-pointing toward Americans over the fact we allow self defense, that just as you look down on the notion of an armed citizenry, we look down on how you have seemingly lost your civilization altogether. When Americans see the news from across Europe, what we see is the end of Western civilization. In order to cope with declining birth rates, you’ve waved in hordes of folks who do not share your values, and the escalating violence is shocking.

Parts of Paris “infidels” dare not tread, huge communities of rapists and pedophiles in England who escape all accountability for decades, people arrested for silent prayer in public, people arrested for jokes and tweets, people beheaded on city streets, Sweden become the gang rape center of the world, etc. ad nausium.

You are not the folks suited to laugh at others. Tend your own affairs first. You seem to be living the last gasps of breath for your civilization. A joke is a joke but consider the irony here. Which of the symptoms of such sickness above would not be solved by a pocket pistol? Since your men will not defend your women, why not allow the women to defend themselves? This is not a joke. We would never permit the sick insults to civilization that our friends across the pond do. That’s the power of self-defense.

 

[Mudhawk]

For a moment I was hoping that you Shadow Reaper could hold a conversation without going down the deep end.
Guess I really am a bit naive.
I do not know where I gave off the impression that I was looking down on americans or feel morally superior to them.
Let my assure you that I don't think I'm better than anyone in this world on grounds of the country or other circumstances I was born into.
May they be Yankees, Frogs, Tommys or Surstroeming Lovers, as long as they treat me ok I'll live and let live.

Also I am well aware how restricted my view from this little corner of the world I'm living in really is. My personal impressions are not "The Truh (TM)" or a gospel or God's verry own word.
I do not know what it's like to live in the states. I visited there once and, well we do have a lot of american formats in TV. But apart from that? Nada...
That makes me all the more impressed how you became an expert on european pedophiles and gang rapers because... why exactly?
Guess I do not really want to know, do I?

Well, keep your guns if it makes you feel safer or more responsible with fighting of the riffraff and such.
Us relicts of bygone glory do fine without them.
Or livestyled are Independent anyhow I'd say.
And with that...
Happy 4th of July to the folks in the US.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I have been to Europe several times and spent several months there, mostly in Ireland; but not in the last two decades. What I know of rape gangs and pedo cults is all from the news. I watch a lot of news from Canada, the UK and Australia because they offer interesting perspectives of the US we can’t get from American sources. So for instance, the large communities of rapists in England who were ignored by authorities for two decades because they were immigrants, is well known to me despite it has been hidden from much of the public in the UK. It’s really sad when rapists are protected for any reason, and such news sticks with you.

We have our problems here too. Evidence is mounting that over 400,000 children were brought in as sex slaves during the Biden administration and that probably all of them have been killed. This if true is undoubtably the worst scandal in US history. The immigration authorities documented them entering the country and did zero follow up. These children just disappeared. To put this into perspective , this is more than all the black African slaves imported into the US back when slavery was legal, all brought in during the four years we had no control over our boarders. Apparently most of these very young children were from Guatemala. It’s heart breaking to the point of despair that such evil survives and thrives. Seems our pedo cult problems are worse than yours.

So please don’t count me judgmental of Europe. I have gotten details of American pedo cults from many sources, but the most comprehensive I can recommend is the interview of Tim Tebow on the Shawn Ryan podcast. Tim works actively trying to save these kids.

If you’re interested in Tebow’s work but not his background, you can scan forward to the segment entitled “Operation Renewed Hope”. Tebow left an amazing career as an NFL Quarterback and baseball athlete to chase child sex slaves. A lot of these guys doing this crazy hard work of rescuing children are like Shawn Ryan, Ex Navy SEALs and CIA Delta Operators; as well as other special ops.

 

[Yex]

For a moment I was hoping that you Shadow Reaper could hold a conversation without going down the deep end.

Hahaha you silly goose. Sometimes you have to go neck in to have a laugh, watch.

I have been to Europe several times and spent several months there, mostly in Ireland

You know you work for us, right?

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

large communities of rapists in England who were ignored by authorities for two decades because they were immigrants, is well known to me despite it has been hidden from much of the public in the UK.

I'm a member of the UK public, here's some info from the island:

Did you know 85% of grooming gangs are white domestic in origin? If you set up some kind of fictional agency to deport all immigrants tomorrow and cleared out the country, you'd only be tackling three twentieths of the grooming gang problem.

In my opinion the worst finding in the investigation into grooming gangs was that police routinely ignored victims reports as they had previous with the cops and a bad rap. This is partly how the grooming gangs of all ethnicities ran so long uncurbed, they found targets not protected by law as the girls had fallen out of legal protection becoming defacto troublemaker outlaws, not living by the rule of law and not protected by it.

Also, rape in general in the UK has some real revealing statistics if you are interested?

- 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted. and thats just the ones who have reported it.

- 50% of rapes are carried out by a partner or ex-partner.

- 6 in every 7 rapes are committed by someone the victim knows.

More info here: https://rapecrisis.org.uk

Foreign grooming gangs are not the problem. They are part of the problem. By tackling the whole problem you by default tackle the foreign grooming gangs and doing anything else like hyperfixating on race only allows one section of society that identifier doesn't apply to, to continue to commit crimes unabated.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I don’t really care what race a rapist is. Any excuse to protect them instead of the women they’re victimizing is a bad excuse. In the cases I heard about, the rapists were being protected so that the public would not develop anger specific to their ethnicity, especially since their background was conducive to rape. That’s an awful decision to make.

It does not matter their ethnicity. You have to catch and punish villains like this or they are emboldened.

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

I don’t really care what race a rapist is. Any excuse to protect them instead of the women they’re victimizing is a bad excuse. In the cases I heard about, the rapists were being protected so that the public would not develop anger specific to their ethnicity, especially since their background was conducive to rape. That’s an awful decision to make.

It does not matter their ethnicity. You have to catch and punish villains like this or they are emboldened.

It's good news you don't care about ethnicity but that being the case it's odd you use it as a case to make a point? Especially as it's such a small percent of the overall issue?

Can you provide me an example you heard about which as you say has been withheld from the UK public? (I don't doubt it may have happened, if you want to learn about war crimes in WW2 ask an Australian where there is no National interest I'm censoring public education on either side). I'm in the UK so this is obviously very interesting to me.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

https://rcew.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/media/documents/Rape_and_sexual_assault_statistics_sources_April_2025.pdf

Of special note is the figure that only 3% of cases reported to police resulted in charges. Also note the admonition that these statistics were taken from a single poll, which is not the basis for the claims being made. The US has had similar polls resulting in claims that over half the women in college have been victimized, but no one believes these charges. They are simply not born out by simple investigation. So I think you need to wade through such claims carefully. I think there is warrant for the claims that these statistics are meant to promote people do what you are doing, and minimize the impact of Pakistani “grooming gangs” systematically victimizing young girls across England and Whales. Gang rape is a feature, not a bug; of many Islamic Middle Eastern cultures, and men in these groups collaborate together to achieve what they consider justice toward women who they consider licentious because of their dress, dating habits, etc.

Arguing that huge percentages of women endure sexual assault, no matter the real percent; in no way justifies “grooming gangs” where dozens of men brutally assault young women and the police choose to do nothing.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2025-04-28/debates/2E70C054-1672-4660-9088-4D4DCE6AF45B/ChildRapeGangs

The brutal gang rape on the streets of Cairo during the Arab Spring uprising comes to mind since it was so well documented. Lara Logan was reporting for CNN when a group of about 80 men encircled her in two concentric rings. The outer ring was there to make certain no one outside their group could enter, including her cameramen who fought unsuccessfully to break inside; and the inner group tore Lara’s clothes from her body and gang raped her for hours. She was convinced she was going to die, but she survived.

The West has never had practices like this to the best of my knowledge, so it is out of touch to pretend there is no ethnic element in the kinds of sexual assault being carried into Western Civilization. It really is something new, and blaming the victims makes no sense. It is the men who are to blame, and the ideology that convinces men that rape is justice.

BTW, this has erupted into public consciousness. It’s no longer hidden. One of the political parties in the Netherlands is trying to eject all 60,000 Syrian refugees they took in because of their violent behavior, and Pop psychologists like Jordan Peterson are speaking out.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtube.com

Note that even when reporting this issue 25 years after the fact, institutions like this obfuscate the issue by saying these are “Asians”. The Japanese are not doing this. There are no reports of people from China, nor Indonesia, nor the Philippines. These groomers are from Pakistan and had this practice in Pakistan before they arrived in the UK. You do not find Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Christians nor Jews doing this. This is an uniquely Islamic phenomenon based upon popular interpretations of the Koran in places like Syria, Egypt and Pakistan. There may indeed be more white groomers in the UK, but the “grooming gangs” are Pakistani.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/16/grooming-gangs-in-uk-thrived-in-culture-of-ignorance-casey-report-says

This went on for 25 years because authorities were afraid of being called “racist”.

View: https://youtu.be/sZMeCpSPwuc?si=OI-QjbbzfpEwU_Oe

 

[Thalstan]

It's good news you don't care about ethnicity but that being the case it's odd you use it as a case to make a point? Especially as it's such a small percent of the overall issue?

Can you provide me an example you heard about which as you say has been withheld from the UK public? (I don't doubt it may have happened, if you want to learn about war crimes in WW2 ask an Australian where there is no National interest I'm censoring public education on either side). I'm in the UK so this is obviously very interesting to me.

I think you mean ask a canadian....where the unofficial motto seems to be "the first time's not a war crime"

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

https://rcew.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/media/documents/Rape_and_sexual_assault_statistics_sources_April_2025.pdf

Of special note is the figure that only 3% of cases reported to police resulted in charges. Also note the admonition that these statistics were taken from a single poll, which is not the basis for the claims being made. The US has had similar polls resulting in claims that over half the women in college have been victimized, but no one believes these charges. They are simply not born out by simple investigation. So I think you need to wade through such claims carefully. I think there is warrant for the claims that these statistics are meant to promote people do what you are doing, and minimize the impact of Pakistani “grooming gangs” systematically victimizing young girls across England and Whales. Gang rape is a feature, not a bug; of many Islamic Middle Eastern cultures, and men in these groups collaborate together to achieve what they consider justice toward women who they consider licentious because of their dress, dating habits, etc.

Arguing that huge percentages of women endure sexual assault, no matter the real percent; in no way justifies “grooming gangs” where dozens of men brutally assault young women and the police choose to do nothing.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2025-04-28/debates/2E70C054-1672-4660-9088-4D4DCE6AF45B/ChildRapeGangs

The brutal gang rape on the streets of Cairo during the Arab Spring uprising comes to mind since it was so well documented. Lara Logan was reporting for CNN when a group of about 80 men encircled her in two concentric rings. The outer ring was there to make certain no one outside their group could enter, including her cameramen who fought unsuccessfully to break inside; and the inner group tore Lara’s clothes from her body and gang raped her for hours. She was convinced she was going to die, but she survived.

The West has never had practices like this to the best of my knowledge, so it is out of touch to pretend there is no ethnic element in the kinds of sexual assault being carried into Western Civilization. It really is something new, and blaming the victims makes no sense. It is the men who are to blame, and the ideology that convinces men that rape is justice.

BTW, this has erupted into public consciousness. It’s no longer hidden. One of the political parties in the Netherlands is trying to eject all 60,000 Syrian refugees they took in because of their violent behavior, and Pop psychologists like Jordan Peterson are speaking out.

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

youtube.com

Note that even when reporting this issue 25 years after the fact, institutions like this obfuscate the issue by saying these are “Asians”. The Japanese are not doing this. There are no reports of people from China, nor Indonesia, nor the Philippines. These groomers are from Pakistan and had this practice in Pakistan before they arrived in the UK. You do not find Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, Christians nor Jews doing this. This is an uniquely Islamic phenomenon based upon popular interpretations of the Koran in places like Syria, Egypt and Pakistan. There may indeed be more white groomers in the UK, but the “grooming gangs” are Pakistani.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/16/grooming-gangs-in-uk-thrived-in-culture-of-ignorance-casey-report-says

This went on for 25 years because authorities were afraid of being called “racist”.

View: https://youtu.be/sZMeCpSPwuc?si=OI-QjbbzfpEwU_Oe

I didn't see a specific example but will take your links as such, so when did you find this out? Your links seem to be to sources from 2025 but if you knew before the British people as you suggested you did earlier, why didn't you attempt to bring it to the nation's attention prior to recent developments?

There may indeed be more white groomers in the UK, but the “grooming gangs” are Pakistani.

Can you cite your source for me on that? I got the 85% of grooming gangs being white from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC):
"In 2023, the largest proportion of child sexual abuse suspects were white, accounting for 1,884 (83%), followed by 62 Pakistani suspects (2.7%), the NPCC’s data shows.
From January to September 2024, there were 1,623 (85%) white suspects, and 75 Pakistani (3.9%)."

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say

Elon Musk has used his platform X to wage an online campaign against the government over the issue of grooming gangs.

www.standard.co.uk

I'm in no way defending them, but by hyper fixation on between 2% and 4% of offenders you're ignoring the 85% majority and as you swallowing them to continue unchecked.

 

[Shadow Reaper]

I think I first heard the stories about two years ago. It could be three. A vid popped up on my FB feed that was a documentary. It likewise was skeptical of the statistics. For example, you’re saying 62 Pakistanis, but the reports are the vast bulk of Pakistani offenders have not yet been charged, and that each of these groups is comprised of dozens of people, so the number could well be an order of magnitude higher. Maybe two orders. The facts are not yet in.

The thing that is outrageous to me is that the police were instructed from politicians high up not to prosecute these cases, even when victims came forward to press charges. There are no claims I’m aware of that this is true of others. The secondary crime of refusing to prosecute based upon threat of being deemed racist is a serious concern. It reminds of the kinds of corruption we’ve been facing here in the States. The 3% claim was specifically concerning the Pakistanis. My presumption is the others were all prosecuted. So the question concerns equal justice under the law and whether as Peterson puts it, people need to “grow a spine.”

BTW, if only 3% of the Pakistani rapists have been prosecuted and there are 62 of them, then there are police reports on over 2,000 heinous crimes by Pakistanis. No matter how you do the calculations, the Pakistanis are committing sexual predation at a much higher incidence than all others—half of all rapes and sexual assaults across the UK.

We have an enormous amount of crime here in the US that gets overlooked because it is by immigrants, and the same argument always surfaces—the one you are making. Why are you making it? How is it relevant? What you seem to be saying is the immigrant crimes are not serious by comparison because others are doing this too. They are certainly not okay, and the crime that occurs when police turn a blind eye to what is happening is a shocking secondary problem that is getting attention.

Here in the US, and especially in California; we have an epidemic of hit and run accidents. People with no license nor insurance (which is illegal—you cannot drive in almost all states without) hit an innocent, and flee, which is a secondary crime. The person hit is left holding the bag, and their insurance will go up markedly. When those critical of illegal immigration make this observation, others will argue “well most of the accidents are not from illegals”, but this misses the point entirely.

Yes, best is the law catches up with all hit and run drivers and all sexual predators, however; when the law turns a blind eye to entire classes of predators, we have another problem to fix; don’t you think?

BTW, I am by no means anti-immigrant. My closest friend is a legal immigrant from Nigeria, and I have dozens of Nigerian friends. I have dated many immigrants over the decades and I agree that they are the life blood of our nation, for legal immigrants seldom take their home for granted. I am however also all in favor of equal justice under the law, and giving that sense of justice to the victims, without which they find it very difficult to heal and move on.

 

[NaffNaffBobFace]

I think I first heard the stories about two years ago.

Your timeline is consistent with the Jay Report which was reported nationally in 2022, 3 years ago, so the UK public was likely aware of scale and failings at that time. It followed an earlier Jay Report in 2014 which investigated systemic failings in the notorious Rotherham gang case:

Jay Report 2022

The 20 child abuse inquiry recommendations - what has happened so far?

A seven-year inquiry into the sexual abuse of children was published in 2022 - what has happened since?

www.bbc.co.uk

Rotherham Gang 2014

Rotherham child sexual exploitation report: At a glance

The key points of an independent report into the handling of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013.

www.bbc.co.uk

Apologies for pressing on this but you made a statement which said you knew something the population of a whole country didn't and I'm just trying to ascertain if that's correct, and it's seeming It might not be?

The facts are not yet in.

So... You know something but in the same breath state there is not yet sufficient factual base to know...? Apologies for my confusion but how can both things be at once and at the same time true?

You either have suspicions you are waiting for facts on, or you have knowledge you have facts for. Your statement was all the gangs are pakistani, and some of them are that's undeniable, but 85% of suspects in 2024 were white which doesn't match that narrative unless you are saying they were white pakistani, but the facts of Pakistani ethnicity don't support that angle?

The thing that is outrageous to me is that the police were instructed from politicians high up not to prosecute these cases

Again, you're going to have to cite that source for me

The secondary crime of refusing to prosecute based upon threat of being deemed racist is a serious concern.

I'm not really following you here, can you cite the law which addresses "refusing to prosecute based upon threat of being deemed racist"?

It was noted in the reporting of the Rotherham gang (There was a Jay Report 2014 on that which stated 1,400 children had been targeted over a 16 year period) that concerns of racial prejudice and conflicting interpretation of guidelines were a contributing factor to the systemic failure to protect people in that town however that was even earlier that 2022...?

My presumption is the others were all prosecuted.

Are the facts not yet in?

Apologies I can't really respond to all your points but there there is a lot of speculation there which doesn't seem related to my original question, but yes I agree there is a lot of non-investigation everywhere and as I've already said in this case it is heinous victims were disregarded based on their prior reputation with enforcement combined with other concerns including those of racial cohesion/predudice.

BTW, I am by no means anti-immigrant. My closest friend is a legal immigrant from Nigeria, and I have dozens of Nigerian friends. I have dated many immigrants over the decades and I agree that they are the life blood of our nation, for legal immigrants seldom take their home for granted. I am however also all in favor of equal justice under the law, and giving that sense of justice to the victims, without which they find it very difficult to heal and move on.

Delighted to hear that, I can only imagine the fun conversations you have with your friends on the subject given the way the world is turning lately... and therein lies a crux:

You most likely are not aware but where I live a deputy chairman of a major political party, the incumbent at the time, stated in an interview they would have to wage their next election campaign on a "mix of culture wars and trans debate" as they had nothing left. They said the quiet part out loud. While you may not be anti-anything, utilising the talking points of people who are anti, oftentimes not because they are legitimately anti but who are trying to gain or retain some kind of control, talking you into believing the "othering" and repeating baseless claims that all grooming gangs are solely from one place or another... It's not serving you, your interests or your own personal intellect, is it? But it does serve someone. Ask yourself do they have you or your friends best interests at heart?

And that's why I ask questions. Did you actually know about this before the British public? We knew about It in 2014, so no you didn't - but someone made you believe you did. Are all grooming gangs Pakistani? Demonstrably false from the NPCC figures on ethnicity but someone made you believe they are. Is legal immigration actually causing problems for Anglophone countries (the point of many of these 'othering' statements)? Probably not, they pay their taxes and contribute as much as the rest of us do if not more as they are not immediately entitled to some things nationals are, but someone/something is trying to make those places believe it is. So question it: How, why, what for, who, when etc.

Totally agree with you about equal justice - I would add an important factor is justice, in its equality, must be seen to be done.