makute
Space Marshal
IMHO, what we have here is yet anpther example of "I need to give an answer for something I don't fully understand/know and/or is yet extremelly subject to change".
About losing a real money purchased item without insurance
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As I said, “pay more” = pay more UECs. It have been confirmed today by Azme_CIG.
About recovering a destroyed ship, you have a misunderstanding. It is not LTI ships which can be recovered. The recoverable ships are ships without LTI which have been purchased with money. If you are saying that this is unfair if you compare to players who only buy the game... I would dare say two things:
* they could just buy any ship, helping the project, and so they can enjoy this.
* it would be unfair for someone who purchased a ship (or other item) with real money to lose it if destroyed. If that is the case, then I would expect also that if the player who only purchased the game is killed, he should lose the game entirely, his complete account so he should pay again for the game to continue playing. That would be truly fair!!!!
The short windows is very relative. There are concept sales very often also you have another 2 years easy to obtain whatever you want. You just have to stay “connected”. Also you can buy one LTI from another player.
I think it was enough explicit and it won’t change as it coincides with all they have been saying before that. What could change is the penalty fee. (Which is in UECs, BTW)
I am really confused about what people are complaining about. From what I have read and understood, this is basically saying that if you paid real money for a ship, you won't be able to lose it. Yes, you will need to pay some UEC in game to recover it that will cost more than the insurance bill would have been, but you won't lose the 30, 50, 120, 400, or even 890 dollar ship you purchased. One of the largest reasons people I know have refrained from buying this game is the fear of losing the item they purchased forever if for some reason they got in a jam and could not pay insurance or find a job without needing a ship. This says, "hey, that 450 ship you bought wont' be removed from your account. That rare gun you paid 5 bucks for or were given "free" because you attended a convention can't be lost if you die while holding it (so you might actually use it).
You may have to pay more to get it back than normal, but you can still get it back. Now the thing is, we don't know how much that will be. It could be the 2x the insurance payout, or the cost of the ship - one insurance payout. This means people will feel a bit more secure about buying that ship without LTI, or buying a game package without LTI. This means more backers. More backers means a better chance of this project succeeding.
LTI has one REAL advantage. If you have a large fleet of ships, you don't have to worry about making enough money to keep them all with basic insurance. That's it. If you have a small fleet of say...3-5 ships, it should not be an issue with keeping up with the insurance. If you had Blind Owl's fleet (before he had to refund), you might be spending a week a month just earning enough to pay the insurance bill. Once you start making the game a job, people leave because it's no longer fun.
Another thing. No matter how Mr. Roberts or people on the forums are insinuating that you are making a donation to support the game, let's be honest. You ARE buying a ship and in doing so, you are supporting the game. Without the virtual ship and copy of the game, (aka, you would need to buy the game once it came out), the kickstarter would have only raised maybe a few 100k.
Donating means "here, take this item of value and in exchange, I don't want anything in return". Lots of charities do this. Star Citizen is not a charity. In exchange for your money, you are receiving either information and REC (subscription), the ability to use in game this virtual vehicle once the game is live, or a physical good like a t-shirt. Even if you bought this https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Add-Ons/Shut-Up-And-Take-My-Money, you are still receiving virtual goods in exchange for your real money. In this case, a skin for your ship.
You may have to pay more to get it back than normal, but you can still get it back. Now the thing is, we don't know how much that will be. It could be the 2x the insurance payout, or the cost of the ship - one insurance payout. This means people will feel a bit more secure about buying that ship without LTI, or buying a game package without LTI. This means more backers. More backers means a better chance of this project succeeding.
LTI has one REAL advantage. If you have a large fleet of ships, you don't have to worry about making enough money to keep them all with basic insurance. That's it. If you have a small fleet of say...3-5 ships, it should not be an issue with keeping up with the insurance. If you had Blind Owl's fleet (before he had to refund), you might be spending a week a month just earning enough to pay the insurance bill. Once you start making the game a job, people leave because it's no longer fun.
Another thing. No matter how Mr. Roberts or people on the forums are insinuating that you are making a donation to support the game, let's be honest. You ARE buying a ship and in doing so, you are supporting the game. Without the virtual ship and copy of the game, (aka, you would need to buy the game once it came out), the kickstarter would have only raised maybe a few 100k.
Donating means "here, take this item of value and in exchange, I don't want anything in return". Lots of charities do this. Star Citizen is not a charity. In exchange for your money, you are receiving either information and REC (subscription), the ability to use in game this virtual vehicle once the game is live, or a physical good like a t-shirt. Even if you bought this https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Add-Ons/Shut-Up-And-Take-My-Money, you are still receiving virtual goods in exchange for your real money. In this case, a skin for your ship.
So you hit the nail on the head, and why I was concerned. The way the insurance mechanic works has not been well explained by the community, or by some CIG employees. When I checked the RSI website, not the forums, you get a much clearer picture.
According to the Insurance FAQ, and statements by Chris Roberts, and other employees who are a little higher up the food chain than a concierge support agent, there will be an in-game mechanism whereby a player who did not maintain insurance - for whatever reason - and lost the ship, can earn the credits to get the ship back. They'll do this by doing missions for NPC's or other players.
You will not lose the item, and you will be able to get it back through an in-game mechanism, and not by paying more real money. That said, you could still use real money to speed the process, just buy another ship. Nobody stops you from doing that, but there will be an in-game mechanism to do it too.
That removes my concerns.
nice summary
purchasing ships or insurance with cash isn't pay-to-win, it's pay-to-avoid-grinding
If only it was the other kind of grinding then we would pay for more of it.
too much talk more Drinking!!!:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beers:
Takeiteasy
Space Marshal
Woopsies I quoted you and basically put all that in without reading other people's posts, I'm in TEST what do you expect.
Glad your concerns were resolved plus I made my post big and long so it's better with shorter points.
Get this guy another beer he's starting to double check things.
Alcohol is technically for rent only. Once you consume it, you will eventually lose it 1 way or another.
Energy never dissipates. It merely changes form. SCIENCE!!
(I will never loose the beer) - - - -NEVER!
Ok, my beer has transformed into nap time. 'Night!
It tends to do that as you get older. But here's something to sleep on:
10,000 light years away from here, there is a large nebula 1000 times the diameter of our solar system called G34.3.
Why is that relevant? First, because the nebula is in the Constellation Aquila. Second, because G34.3 contains enough alcohol to supply every person on the planet with 300,000 pint's of beers a day, for the next billion years - OR everyone in Test Squadron for the next 8 and a half days.
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We've got those Starfarers sat there doing nothing.... I see some kind of plan here.
Here we go! :fingers_crossed:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7oiotn/guys_what_do_you_think_about_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7oiotn/guys_what_do_you_think_about_it/
Alot of walls of text, read some, ignored most. GO STAR CITIZEN!!!