Coronavirus COVID-19 Thread

ColdDog · May 9, 2020

US tightens visa regulations for reporters from China

The US tightened visa guidelines for Chinese journalists amid a growing row between the two countries over the coronavirus pandemic. The new regulation, which takes effect Monday, limits visas for …

nypost.com

Here we go folks.

In issuing the new regulation, the Department of Homeland Security cited what it called China’s “suppression of independent journalism.”

Montoya · May 10, 2020

Heres the thing that throws a lot of people for a loop.

When you look at reported numbers for Arizona of new cases, you see this:

And then you read what Gov Ducey said earlier in the week:

So are the cases declining like the Gov said, or are they climbing like the John Hopkins site is saying?

Or is this some sort of weird Shrodinger's experiment?

Aramsolari · May 10, 2020

My understanding is that a lot of jurisdictions are eager to open up but did they properly shut down in the first place?

A number of areas have been really half hearted in shutting down. They either haven't been doing it properly or aren't enforcing lockdown restrictions. Meanwhile a number of people have turned this from a health issue into a political one. They're trying to make a political point (of what I don't know..something about being liberated so they can dine in at Wendy's or something) by not heeding basic social distancing guidelines or wearing PPE when available.

My point is that you either shut down or you don't. Half assing it is just gonna prolong the whole ordeal. At that point you might as well try to pull off a Sweden.

stockish · May 10, 2020

The thing about us here in AZ, is that there is increased testing going on the last week or two, so numbers are going up. We also had a very.....basic stay at home order (stay home, or don't we won't fine/arrest you) along with it still being the snowbird season so lots of older people coming and going.

Best part is my work decided it is time for us to return to work, which being in the automotive field is great because we all know how well people keep their cars clean.....

Vavrik · May 10, 2020

Aramsolari said:
My understanding is that a lot of jurisdictions are eager to open up but did they properly shut down in the first place?

A number of areas have been really half hearted in shutting down. They either haven't been doing it properly or aren't enforcing lockdown restrictions. Meanwhile a number of people have turned this from a health issue into a political one. They're trying to make a political point (of what I don't know..something about being liberated so they can dine in at Wendy's or something) by not heeding basic social distancing guidelines or wearing PPE when available.

My point is that you either shut down or you don't. Half assing it is just gonna prolong the whole ordeal. At that point you might as well try to pull off a Sweden.

There used to be a saying, "that's like the pot calling the kettle black", it maybe doesn't make sense now that everything is stainless steel, aluminium(yikes) and ceramic.

You do understand that Canada has not done a stellar job at containment of the disease itself? I've been watching it as closely as I watch the numbers in Texas. All I can say is when I look at the numbers in Quebec and Ontario, and see that the disease is outperforming both California and Texas, I'm more than concerned. I have more than a few family and friends who live there.

Radegast74 · May 10, 2020

Montoya said:
Heres the thing that throws a lot of people for a loop.

When you look at reported numbers for Arizona of new cases, you see this:

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And then you read what Gov Ducey said earlier in the week:

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So are the cases declining like the Gov said, or are they climbing like the John Hopkins site is saying?

Or is this some sort of weird Shrodinger's experiment?

This is a classic example of trying to ram a policy down everybody's throats, without actually really looking at the data to guide a decision. Apparently, you are making a mistake if you look at the data:

Arizona governor fires experts who say he's making a mistake by reopening state

Governor Doug Ducey believes the state is ‘headed in the right direction’, but scientists say the peak is two weeks away

www.independent.co.uk

This was covered in the Washington Post, as well, but it is behind a paywall...he supposedly then brought back the experts, at least in some capacity, after an outcry.

Lorddarthvik · May 10, 2020

Study about the virus infecting the intestines and causing diarrhea, which was not among the widely publicized original list of main symptoms if I remember correctly.

Bad News – Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 Infects Cells of the Intestine and Multiplies There

Researchers from the Hubrecht Institute in Utrecht, Erasmus MC University Medical Center Rotterdam, and Maastricht University in the Netherlands have found that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, can infect cells of the intestine and multiply there. Using state-of-the-art cell cultur

scitechdaily.com

Imagine having a fever and diarrhea and thinking it's just a stomach bug, not the virus so you don't get tested... +1 reason why the numbers are way off.

NaffNaffBobFace · May 10, 2020

Lorddarthvik said:
Study about the virus infecting the intestines and causing diarrhea, which was not among the widely publicized original list of main symptoms if I remember correctly.

Bad News – Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 Infects Cells of the Intestine and Multiplies There

Researchers from the Hubrecht Institute in Utrecht, Erasmus MC University Medical Center Rotterdam, and Maastricht University in the Netherlands have found that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, can infect cells of the intestine and multiply there. Using state-of-the-art cell cultur

scitechdaily.com

Imagine having a fever and diarrhea and thinking it's just a stomach bug, not the virus so you don't get tested... +1 reason why the numbers are way off.

It was known to go there ages ago, i recall hearing about that at the beginning of March. I don't think they widely publicized it t the time as its just such a common symptom it would be difficult to test every case...

...that said if its a safer way of getting Covid-19, as in it doesn't go near the lungs and it's not life threatening diarrhea, could intentionally contracting it in the bowel be a better way of getting immunity...?

View: https://youtu.be/CKjaFG4YN6g?t=27

Montoya · May 10, 2020

stockish said:
The thing about us here in AZ, is that there is increased testing going on the last week or two, so numbers are going up.

Well thats a good thing!

More testing will allow them to identify potential hot stops and close down those areas instead broad blanket shut downs.

Downside is that as the virus spreads over the broader population, the South Korea numbers of a 0.6% mortality rate means there are going to be a lot more elderly dying before we get to a vaccine.

Aramsolari · May 10, 2020

Vavrik said:
There used to be a saying, "that's like the pot calling the kettle black", it maybe doesn't make sense now that everything is stainless steel, aluminium(yikes) and ceramic.

You do understand that Canada has not done a stellar job at containment of the disease itself? I've been watching it as closely as I watch the numbers in Texas. All I can say is when I look at the numbers in Quebec and Ontario, and see that the disease is outperforming both California and Texas, I'm more than concerned. I have more than a few family and friends who live there.

Oh I understand this completely. Canada is one of the places I'm referring to (specifically Quebec). It's also in Quebec where a number of telecommunications towers were set on fire because '5G causes Covid'. The province has it's fair share of 'Liberate' protesters, kooks, and conspiracy theorists as does any place really....even my province. Very early on I posted what was then one of the first media covered 'Liberation' protests and it happened right here in Vancouver, Canada. In no part of my post did I say US or States, I used the term jurisdictions. I'm not smug about this at all as I have friends and family in both New York, California, and many other parts of the US. I also want the US to recover asap because my industry is dependent on that.

I don't think this is a country versus country thing anyway. I have a feeling this has more to do with Coast versus Coast. The East Coast has been hit hard where the West Coast has been left relatively unscathed. I'm still puzzled as to why that's the case. My unscientific theory is that the West was getting more travelers from Asia (Quicker to lockdown) than the East which received more travelers from Europe (Slower to lockdown). Trump to his credit was quick to ban travel from China. In hindsight, I believe this was the right decision.

NaffNaffBobFace · May 10, 2020

UK numbers from today May 10th:

Total confirmed 219,183 with 3,923 new, total dead 31,855 with 269 new.

Todays status "Buzz Words" comes from the the COVID-19 catchphrase "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" the PM (who has had more catchphrases than Mr. Chips) and the government have been tubthumping being changed to "Stay Alert, Control The Virus, Save Lives" suggesting social distancing can Jeff off and the NHS can go to hell, apart from the bit where they said this doesn't mean we can stop social distancing because ""Stay alert will mean stay alert by staying home..." begging the question if they mean the same thing why bother changing it...?:

Boris Johnson speech: PM unveils 'conditional plan' to reopen society

Boris Johnson says people in England can spend more time outdoors from Wednesday but lockdown remains.

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: Minister defends 'stay alert' advice amid backlash

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland keep the "stay at home" slogan as Labour warns the switch could be confusing.

www.bbc.co.uk

I suspect the Alert thing is to rebrand to go along with their new 5 level alert system. Level 5 is systems overwhelmed and disaster, level 1 is virus gone all is well. We are currently at level 4, looking to reduce measures and restrictions to level 3. I have immediately started calling this the DeafCon rating because although the new slogan says to look at it no one is going to understand or listen to it even if it does have a point.

The status outlook comes from the airline industry being given notice that the UK will be bringing in 14 day quarantine for all incoming passengers - they will be turned away at boarder checks if they cannot prove they have a private residence to shelter in for the two week requirement. Questions have been raised both as to why this wasn't already in place for the last two months while Lockdown was in force, and also why is is being introduced now when Lockdown restrictions are beginning to be relaxed:

UK 'to bring in 14-day quarantine' for air passengers

An airline industry body says it has been told coronavirus quarantining will start from the end of May.

www.bbc.co.uk

EDIT - Oops, forgot the Colorado check-in: One day in (the charts latest entries are for the 8th for cases and 7th for fatalities) so it's way too early to say relaxing restrictions is causing any issues. Remember, gestation can take between 5 and 12 days before symptoms present:

NaffNaffBobFace · May 10, 2020

Incomplete data suggest Germanys R rate (the infection reproduction rate) has risen above 1 person, to 1.1.

Coronavirus: Germany infection rate rises as lockdown eases

Just days after Angela Merkel loosens restrictions, the estimated virus reproduction rate rises.

www.bbc.co.uk

The R number basically means at 1, one infected person infects one more person so if 100 people have COVID-19 100 other people will get it - keeping the population of infected at a constant level.

At 0.9 those 100 people would only infect 90 more, shrinking the population of infected, but at 1.1, 100 infected will infect 110 other people growing the population of infected people.

Vavrik · May 10, 2020

Aramsolari said:
Oh I understand this completely. Canada is one of the places I'm referring to (specifically Quebec). It's also in Quebec where a number of telecommunications towers were set on fire because '5G causes Covid'. The province has it's fair share of 'Liberate' protesters, kooks, and conspiracy theorists as does any place really....even my province. Very early on I posted what was then one of the first media covered 'Liberation' protests and it happened right here in Vancouver, Canada. In no part of my post did I say US or States, I used the term jurisdictions. I'm not smug about this at all as I have friends and family in both New York, California, and many other parts of the US. I also want the US to recover asap because my industry is dependent on that.

I don't think this is a country versus country thing anyway. I have a feeling this has more to do with Coast versus Coast. The East Coast has been hit hard where the West Coast has been left relatively unscathed. I'm still puzzled as to why that's the case. My unscientific theory is that the West was getting more travelers from Asia (Quicker to lockdown) than the East which received more travelers from Europe (Slower to lockdown). Trump to his credit was quick to ban travel from China. In hindsight, I believe this was the right decision.

Thank you for clarifying. I think I've become a little overly sensitive because of my position here, I haven't been able to travel home since 2013 until this year because of illness progression. Then when I'm finally allowed to travel, this happens - during my first trip. It's been just a little surreal.

AntiSqueaker · May 11, 2020

yep, despite day to day cases constantly increasing, my state (NC) lifted restrictions last Monday. 25% capacity on all businesses basically.

I fully expect this to completely backfire and make the situation worse, but seems like grandma dying is preferable to going without a haircut.

ColdDog · May 11, 2020

Doctors offices are hit very hard by this too. People are having a hard time seeing a doctor because of covid.

Nearly half physician's practices have had to lay off, furlough workers, MGMA survey finds

As patient volumes plummet amid the COVID-19 pandemic, nearly half of independent medical practices report they have had to furlough or lay off staff, according to a new survey from the Medical Gro | The survey found practices have seen an average 60% drop in patient volume on average and a 55%...

www.fiercehealthcare.com

“Patients are foregoing necessary preventive and even acute care out of fear of exposure. Medical practices are struggling to keep their doors open as volume collapses. The nation faces a second wave access crisis when the pent up demand for non-COVID-19 care is released and the rest of our healthcare system is offline as a result of the pandemic.”

Radegast74 · May 11, 2020

Well, this is one of the concerns I've been having...treating COVID19 patients takes a toll on the healthcare workers, and the lack of PPE early in the crises (and maybe on-going) has also had an impact:

Paramedics, Strained in the Hot Zone, Pull Back From CPR (Published 2020)

Their mission is to save lives at any cost. But in New Jersey, the coronavirus has sickened so many emergency workers that some units are holding off on risky procedures like CPR.

www.nytimes.com

As usual, if you can't get behind the paywall, just dump your cookies that start with "nyt"

ColdDog · May 11, 2020

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Over 60 Bills - That basically says America is up in arms.

Resolutions and Bills Introduced in the House:

H.R. 6665: To direct the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to submit a report on the actions of the World Health Organization to address the spread of the virus responsible for COVID-19.
H.R. 6444: Stop China-Originated Viral Infectious Diseases Act of 2020. This bill limits the immunity of foreign states from suit in the United States.
Cheney Introduces Bill Renaming Chinese Embassy Street “Li Wenliang Plaza”: This bill honors the late Dr. Li Wenliang of Wuhan who warned about COVID-19 before being silenced by the CCP.
Rep. Stefanik & Sen. Hawley Resolution for International Investigation of CCP: This House resolution calls for an international investigation of the CCP’s cover-up of the early spread of COVID-19 among other actions.
No CHINA Act: H.R. 6386 prevents appropriated money, including coronavirus relief funds, from being disbursed to businesses owned by the Chinese government.
Countering Chinese Attempts at Snooping (CCAS) Act: calls for the Secretary of State to create a list of organizations that are under Chinese influence and that help China in areas like surveillance.
H.Con.Res. 97: This establishes the Joint Select Committee on the Events and Activities Surrounding China’s Handling of the 2019 Novel Coronavirus.
H.Res. 919: This resolution condemns the United Nations’ decision to appoint China a seat on its Human Rights Council.
H.R. 6482: This legislation aims to protect Our Pharmaceutical Supply Chain from China Act of 2020.
H.Res. 944: This resolution expresses the sense of the House of Representatives that the People’s Republic of China should be held accountable for its handling of COVID-19.
H.Res. 909: Supports an international investigation into the handling by the Government of the People’s Republic of China of COVID-19 and the impact on the people of the United States and other nations.
H.Res. 907: Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the Government of the People’s Republic of China made multiple mistakes in the early stages of the COVID-19 outbreak that heightened the severity and spread of COVID-19.
H.Res. 922: Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that all nations should permanently close live wildlife markets and that the People’s Republic of China should cease spreading disinformation regarding the origins of COVID-19.
H.R. 6208: Protecting American Space Assets Act: This bill directs the President to develop a strategy to protect the space assets of the United States.
H.R. 6405: Chinese Government COVID-19 Accountability Act: This legislation directs the President and Secretary of the Treasury to develop a strategy to seek reimbursement from the People's Republic of China.
H.Res. 917: Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the United States should withhold the contribution of Federal funds to the World Health Organization until Director-General Tedros Ghebreyesus resigns.
H.R. 6471: Dr. Li Wenliang Congressional Gold Medal Act: This bill awards a Congressional Gold Medal to Dr. Li Wenliang for his efforts to save lives in light of COVID-19.
H.R. 6598: SOS ACT Act: This legislation preserves national security by providing guarantees to investors for investments in businesses at risk of predatory economic tactics by the CCP.
H.R. 5932: Ensuring Chinese Debt Transparency Act of 2020: This bill ensures greater transparency regarding the terms and conditions of financing provided by the People's Republic of China to member states of the international financial institutions.
H.R. 6519: To amend title 28, United States Code, to provide a civil action against a foreign state for deliberate concealment or distortion of information concerning an international public health emergency, and for other purposes.
H.R. 5927: Safe Medicine Act: This legislation directs the Secretary of HHS to study American dependence on unsafe Chinese pharmaceuticals and strengthen the FDA to mandate drug recalls in the case of contamination.
H.R. 5846: Neutralizing Unfair Chinese Export Subsidies Act of 2020: To provide for working with allies to seek increased compliance by China with certain OECD export credit standards.
H.R. 6406: American-Made Protection for Healthcare Workers and First Responders Act: This bill requires PPE to be included in the strategic national stockpile and for the Federal Government to procure equipment from United States sources.

August · May 11, 2020

Restrictions have loosened slightly here in Victoria. We’ve had 10 cases identified in the last 24 hours.

The changes to our restrictions are as follows.

5 visitors (non-residents) allowed at home, up from one.
Outdoor activities limited to 10 people - includes household members.
Work from home if possible. Considering kids aren’t back at school this is essentially irrelevant.
Bootcamps up to 10 people are allowed (plus instructor). Groups of up to 10 people are allowed outdoors. 1.5 meter spacing still applies.
Golf is allowed again.
No indoor sport unless it’s in your home. No gym
Hiking, fishing, boating allowed. No camping, and the 10 person limit applies to groups.
Funerals can now have up to 20 mourners indoors. Up to 30 mourners outdoors. Contact tracing records must be kept.
We can exercise in the park but kids can’t use playgrounds or skate parks

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