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You guys are still on about this? The gym opens today at noon, the virus is over boys. Pack it up.


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Bit by bit he's making America less and less relevant on the global stage, isn't he?

If that's the direction the US wants to go the mission is going as planned. Where America steps away, other countries step in to fill the role:


"The shock of the US criticism, and its funding cut, have been soothed by announcements from both China and France of substantial new cash."
 
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#1 COVID19 the virus and our response, vs. the response by other govt.'s including the Chinese govt.
Because Nixon and China made the initial agreements in the 1970s, China has continued to manipulate the world community since. Ok, I don't blame China for doing this, I do blame the world for allowing it, particularly in the past 20 years. Eventually, China will find itself isolated again and in decline, because they are not honest business partners and global citizens.

#2 China (the people) vs. the Chinese govt.
So, when you label American vs American govt. should Americans get all upset and say you have American phobia. This is a distraction. Chinese people should be proud of their heritage and comfortable enough with who they are to be tolerant. After all, government is a reflection of its people, so the chinese people should be proud of their government because they made it.

Here's a prime example: About 30 years ago, the Chinese govt. made a direct copy of a Boeing 707....you'd think Boeing would to make sure that their trade secrets would be kept away from them, but NO, Boeing then turns around and makes deals with the Chinese govt. to start manufacturing aircraft in China and basically hands over the IP and ways to manufacture aircraft. Deals like this have been happening with many, many corporations in virtually every industry.
This is a great example... and Boeing deserves what it got because they made a bad deal.

Bottom line, Clinton, Bush, and Obama have capitulated our IP away (not just the US but every developed nation). This threat has become more prevalent due to computers and the internet. Trump wised to them, and I expect China to be belligerent and defiant, problem is they want to be the saviors but also exploit the situation where they can. I think the world is on to them, and it became real overnight. I think China has some tough years ahead of them.
 
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Nah... UK is irrelevant they became irrelevant in 1776.
An excellent analogy, although the dismantling of the British Empire really started to pick up in 1880 and technically ended in 1997 with the return of Hong Kong. Slowly but surely the UK pulled back, with significant occurances happening as late as the late 1940's and in the 1960's too. The empire was dismantled, The commonwealth of nations was formed with an entirely different goal to the colonialism of old.

Is the US trying a similar strategy?

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Looks pretty imperial to me... so why did it collapse... maybe world war 2, because the Brits could not take on Germany by itself. I am sure the Brits took all that land peacefully.

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Although there is no single answer to this question, the collapse of British imperial power can be traced “directly to the impact of World War Two”, the BBC says.

The campaigns it waged in Europe, Asia and Africa virtually bankrupted the UK and the subsequent debt it acquired severely comprised its economic independence; the foundation of the imperial system.



So it is ok to call my president an idiot, but when your country is put under the microscope you tell me that I am ignorant. Obviously, America is not irrelivant. I would say the UK has much more to lose to China than the US does

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See that whopping 3.3% of the World GDP... that is the irrelevant UK. See the 15.5 (5x higher than the UK). That is China, so if your hopes and wishes of a US downfall comes true you'll be under China rule soon.
 
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You're going to have to explain that one to me. Is the UK under US rule right now then?
US is not authoritarian - we are a Federalist Democracy. China is a Communist Dictatorship... your Queen can bow to the Chinese if that ever happens. No one is twisting the UKs arm to work with the US.
 

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US is not authoritarian - we are a Federalist Democracy. China is a Communist Dictatorship... your Queen can bow to the Chinese if that ever happens. No one is twisting the UKs arm to work with the US.
So that's a no then?
 

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US is in charge of the US... we understand Tyranny, because we were under that system when the Brits abused us causing a revolt. Europe, Latin America, Asia, they can all choose their own poison. In the end, after they (namely Europe) mess it up like that have through the ages - more recently WW1 and WW2, then we'll have to cross that bridge.
 

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US is in charge of the US... we understand Tyranny, because we were under that system when the Brits abused us causing a revolt. Europe, Latin America, Asia, they can all choose their own poison. In the end, after they (namely Europe) mess it up like that have through the ages - more recently WW1 and WW2, then we'll have to cross that bridge.
Brill, and that brings me back to my original question: Is the US running a similar strategy to the UK dismantling of the Empire? Is the information you provided looking at a potential USA 117 years in the future?
 

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As I said, choose your poison. UK is not in the greatest position here, neither is Europe.
Neither is the USA. Neither is China. It's a Pandemic, remember, it doesn't choose or care about boarders and it does not observe politics of any nature 😉
 

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Neither is the USA. Neither is China. It's a Pandemic, remember, it doesn't choose or care about boarders and it does not observe politics of any nature 😉
I kinda know what its about... without the pandemic UK is in a bad place, with the pandemic the UK is in a bad place. China wants the US, the world is in that proxy battle including the great UK. At some point, a choice is going to need to be made, just like with the germans during WW2 (Mussolini, Hirohito). Sitting on the sidelines throwing stones at the people trying to help you is a self defeating exercise. Pick your poison.
 

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I kinda know what its about... without the pandemic UK is in a bad place, with the pandemic the UK is in a bad place. China wants the US, the world is in that proxy battle including the great UK. At some point, a choice is going to need to be made, just like with the germans during WW2 (Mussolini, Hirohito). Sitting on the sidelines throwing stones at the people trying to help you is a self defeating exercise. Pick your poison.
China wants the US for what?

And if that is the case, why was it not the UK filling the US hole? I don't think the UK matters in this either, if there is indeed a "this" to be in?

My original response to your post about the US withholding funds was to point out that problem has already been resolved without the assistance or continued input of the US. It was not the UK that resolved it. The UK was introduced into the discussion by yourself and I'm not entirely sure why?
 
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Bringing us back to topic here...

Looks like these protests are doing the opposite of stopping/slowing Covid19 (wow surprised Pikachu face).

Travelling hundreds of miles from rural to urban areas and vice versa while ignoring social distancing measures....that's turning out great.

 
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China wants the US for what?
China said it in their 2049 initiative and they also said they would double their GDP in the next decade.


In that context, what China wants is a play in three acts.

First, China wants ideally to push the US out of its Asian region, or at the very least reduce its influence, to achieve a regional hegemony that makes all actors ultimately dependent on it. Second, it is acting globally to displace, if not yet replace, the United States wherever it can – including in major parts of Europe – most importantly through its Belt and Road Initiative.

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, it’s clearer than ever that Beijing by the time of the 100th anniversary of the People’s Republic of China in 2049 aspires to be the dominant economic, political and perhaps military power for an era where democracies remain but authoritarian systems are ascendant.

“China is unabashedly undermining the U.S. alliance system in Asia,’” writes Oriana Skylar Mastro of Georgetown University in Foreign Affairs. “It has encouraged the Philippines to distance itself from the United States, it has supported South Korea’s efforts to take a softer line toward North Korea, and it has backed Japan’s stance against American protectionism…It is blatantly militarizing the South China Sea ….It is no longer content to play second fiddle to the United States and seeks directly to challenge its position in the Indo-Pacific region.”

Yet it is beyond Asia where China’s reach has expanded fastest.


China has both geopolitical and economic motivations behind the initiative. Xi has promoted a vision of a more assertive China, while slowing growth and rocky trade relations with the United States have pressured the country’s leadership to open new markets for its goods.


China is on the cusp of keeping a big promise — a vow to double its GDP and income in a decade and take the country to the forefront of the global economic power structure.

And if that is the case, why was it not the UK filling the US hole? I don't think the UK matters in this either, if there is indeed a "this" to be in?
UK did fill the US role prior to the industrial revolution.

My original response to your post about the US withholding funds was to point out that problem has already been resolved without the assistance or continued input of the US. It was not the UK that resolved it. The UK was introduced into the discussion by yourself and I'm not entirely sure why?
Why doesn't the UK pay 400 million to a organization that just let the biggest pandemic occur since it was founded.

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