AccidentProne8
Space Marshal
Oh, are you thinking there might be some kind of liability coming down the pike? Somehow I doubt it, corporations get away with murder.
Coronavirus COVID-19 Thread
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I think that's what the attempt is about in the Netherlands anyway. In the drug industry, murder is an option but it has to be in the drug's published material.... that actually makes it kind of OK. lol.
Go figure. There is often a dual purpose for some of the regulations, one is to control the industry, the other is to assist with promoting the industry.
Radegast74
Space Marshal
I'm always looking for data that show us something (maybe) about the effects of the pandemic. I thought this was interesting, the 2021 life insurance payments made to survivors increased over the 2020 payments. The interesting bit is that the 2020 increase from 2019 represented the biggest year-to-year increase in payouts since the 1918 influenza pandemic. So, some serious shit...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/potential-lab-incident-fbi-director-wray-speaks-publicly/story?id=97535563
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-energy-department-now-blames-a-chinese-lab-leak-for-covid/ar-AA180woY
Both the FBI and department of energy are now entertaining that the virus came from the wuhan lab. Just throwing that out there because you know, it was a conspiracy theory.
EDIT: Imagine that. No one saw that coming.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-energy-department-now-blames-a-chinese-lab-leak-for-covid/ar-AA180woY
Both the FBI and department of energy are now entertaining that the virus came from the wuhan lab. Just throwing that out there because you know, it was a conspiracy theory.
EDIT: Imagine that. No one saw that coming.
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Shadow Reaper
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The FBI and DOE can both be made to reverse their official position. All it takes is for Trump to say the virus is from the lab.
Aloha space cadets,
As the months progress the part of the world I am in moves toward autumn and the prospect of COVID -19 once again comes in to focus, headlines this morning discussing vaccine drives and potential waves:
www.bbc.co.uk
It's likely as predicted by many from the start it would become just another awkward flu style issue to contend with.
On the private vaccination purchase article, it's a bit odd for me here in the UK I mostly pay over-the-counter for medicines which target symptoms like pain killers, hayfever tablets etc. Buying medication that is preventative or treating ailments is different as I've already paid for what is deemed required through specific National Isurance tax and general taxation and provided via the NHS, so it can't be deemed required for the majority.
If a major non-lethal wave does occur I'm left wondering if the $100 or so per dose would save the country money in the long run as it would prevent lost productivity through sick days...?
As the months progress the part of the world I am in moves toward autumn and the prospect of COVID -19 once again comes in to focus, headlines this morning discussing vaccine drives and potential waves:
Should we be worried about Covid this winter?
Experts are not too concerned about a new variant of Covid but say monitoring should continue.
www.bbc.co.uk
It's likely as predicted by many from the start it would become just another awkward flu style issue to contend with.
On the private vaccination purchase article, it's a bit odd for me here in the UK I mostly pay over-the-counter for medicines which target symptoms like pain killers, hayfever tablets etc. Buying medication that is preventative or treating ailments is different as I've already paid for what is deemed required through specific National Isurance tax and general taxation and provided via the NHS, so it can't be deemed required for the majority.
If a major non-lethal wave does occur I'm left wondering if the $100 or so per dose would save the country money in the long run as it would prevent lost productivity through sick days...?
Good to keep some attention on this topic, @NaffNaffBobFace. Surely that's an emphatic yes, if that really is the whole cost of vaccinating a patient. According to the ONS, "Average weekly earnings for total pay was £648 and for regular pay was £603 in April 2023". Being purely mercenary about it - which is absolutely not the right ethical or political basis for deciding whether or not to run a mass-vaccination programme against covid - the return on treasury investment for vaccinating everyone, even the return in GDP, seems borderline. I'm not sure the expected reduction in loss of tax revenue due to people being out of work due to a bout of winter covid justifies the cost, and even the reduction in loss of GDP it should create is probably not break-even. But I really hope that's not how we decide things. when you factor in the reduction in pressure on hospitals and the impact on hospital staff and on patients being treated for other things, and the potential to save some lives, prevent misery and suffering and just 'doing good', it feels like an easy 'yes' to me. It is surely worth funding another round of mass vaccinations before winter, and not just for the most vulnerable.
Given the mutations and reports of limited effectiveness of the vaccine nor any deviation between those who have been vaccinated and those who haven't compound by vaccine complications risks and thus your left with limited if any benefit beyond the current suggestion of vaccinations of the vulnerable.
It's the same outcome of the yearly flu shot and while many take it the studies do not show it has and measuserable positive impact on the flu season beyond the psychological impact some have with feeling like it does. While the placebo effect shouldn't be discounted as a positive result it could be achieved safer with a saline solution shot.
As for covid it's been around for ages and will be around for many more years to come and whole this strain was slightly elevated in its fatality at the start its fallen back in line with its family.
As such if you feel getting a vaccine will make you feel better then by all means as the risk of complications is low, but don't be surprised when you still get covid. Just like you still get sick after the flu shot.
Or get the swine flu as that cold seemed to supercharge ones immune system as it was years before I had the sniffles from the common cold again.
It's the same outcome of the yearly flu shot and while many take it the studies do not show it has and measuserable positive impact on the flu season beyond the psychological impact some have with feeling like it does. While the placebo effect shouldn't be discounted as a positive result it could be achieved safer with a saline solution shot.
As for covid it's been around for ages and will be around for many more years to come and whole this strain was slightly elevated in its fatality at the start its fallen back in line with its family.
As such if you feel getting a vaccine will make you feel better then by all means as the risk of complications is low, but don't be surprised when you still get covid. Just like you still get sick after the flu shot.
Or get the swine flu as that cold seemed to supercharge ones immune system as it was years before I had the sniffles from the common cold again.
Private sales of COVID vaccines appear to take a step closer to reality in UK:
"Some employers might want to offer the vaccines to their staff" - that may well be the source of much private spend on vaccines, especially for critical staff members who the cost of the vaccine would be insignificant compared to the loss 2 weeks off sick would incur.
"Some employers might want to offer the vaccines to their staff" - that may well be the source of much private spend on vaccines, especially for critical staff members who the cost of the vaccine would be insignificant compared to the loss 2 weeks off sick would incur.
Well, this is what I've learned about modern life since 2019 - It's pretty much all about the money. If you can't present a case which results in more cash moving post-action (or defence of the cash moving at the moment) no action will be taken regardless of ethical or moral angles or arguments... and it always was.
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Yeah, ofc you're right. I don't see that changing, but it would be nice to think it isn't the only basis for a policy decision. To @Bambooza's point I could change my mind if the evidence does show insufficient public and economic benefit from a mass vaccination programme. I'll look into that some more.
Radegast74
Space Marshal
Sad, but true...
...meanwhile...I just started reading this article:
Moderna CEO made $400M last year—2,435x the median salary of employees
The report from Stat looks at the outsize gains health care executives reap.
arstechnica.com
The thing is most of that profit is not from a paycheck but from the windfall from long held stock options, vesting and scheduled selling typically to diversify their stock holding. If you look at their paycheck income while high its typically much closer in size from their employees. So it's not so much they get a bonus or eye watering paychecks so much as their stock grants and corporate success pushes their stock options to astronomical heights and in fact you too could have benefited by buying stocks in Moderna.Sad, but true...
...meanwhile...I just started reading this article:
Moderna CEO made $400M last year—2,435x the median salary of employees
The report from Stat looks at the outsize gains health care executives reap.
I to benefit from yearly stock grants that vest over a four year period. If I am fired or quit any stocks not vested are lost. And while I do not have as much of an impact on stock prices as a ceo would I enjoy the ups and cry a little when it drops.
As for ceo stock options its typically strucked slightly different with vesting at the end of a period or after specific goals are met and as much as there are huge windfalls there are plenty who loose out big because the company tanked.
New variant of interest with high number of mutations spotted in several countries. Unclear if they mean more contagious or evades current Immunity:
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Radegast74
Space Marshal
Looks like having some brain worms would help reading that link.
I work in clinical research at a major research hospital. We work hard on saving/improving lives in multiple departments including but not limited to oncology, cardiology, neurology, gastroenterology, nephrology, and of course infectious disease. Our hospital was one of many working tirelessly to save the lives of our community, many of whom believe all this nonsense and did nothing to protect themselves or those around them.
Public health should not be politicized.
Serious health conditions deserve serious solutions based on science and best practice.
Its disheartening to see a .gov website read like the National Enquirer…right next to stories of the great lizard people uprising.
Throughout the pandemic I attended monthly forums talking about every aspect of the pandemic. These forums were presented by the most accomplished minds in infectious disease. I can tell you that this website does not represent serious and mindful thinking.
Public health should not be politicized.
Serious health conditions deserve serious solutions based on science and best practice.
Its disheartening to see a .gov website read like the National Enquirer…right next to stories of the great lizard people uprising.
Throughout the pandemic I attended monthly forums talking about every aspect of the pandemic. These forums were presented by the most accomplished minds in infectious disease. I can tell you that this website does not represent serious and mindful thinking.
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Oh i agree. But here we are :)
If you havent and are interested, this whole thread started right after we were aware of what was going on and we documented it over these 274 pages. I think the covid.gov link is absurdly funny, because of what a clown show this whole thing was. Its a good skim / read.
If you havent and are interested, this whole thread started right after we were aware of what was going on and we documented it over these 274 pages. I think the covid.gov link is absurdly funny, because of what a clown show this whole thing was. Its a good skim / read.
Shadow Reaper
Space Marshal
I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that had we followed the recommendations of the real experts—those that penned the Great Barrington Declaration—the damage done by Fauci would all have been avoided. The man deserves prison for the rest of his life. I say this as one who’s father was killed by the jab, who’s twin had a stroke from the jab, and as one who now suffers congestive heart failure from the jab after hosting a ten inch blood clot in his aorta.
The real experts who wrote Barrington knew from the start that the best option was to sequester the most vulnerable. Fauci lied to us again and again, first about the masks, then about social distancing, then about masks again, then about intubation, then about “two weeks to flatten the curve, then about masking children, and all the while lying about the fact he funded the research that leaked from a Chinese lab. Over and over that fucker lied to everyone.
Anyone can look at the results. The nations who did the least intervention, like Sweden; came out on top. The nations who acted the most hysterical and draconian, like Australia; came out on bottom. There is a very strong argument we should have done next to nothing and would all have been better off.
As to our great institutions of medical science, what we have to acknowledge is they’re only as good as the data they get. In this case, here in the US; CDC directed everyone to mischaracterize the mortality completely. All Covid related deaths were attributed to Covid. Hospitals were paid by the government to make Covid the culprit when it’s presence was only incidental. People who were healthy and died of motorcycle accidents were listed as Covid deaths to deliberately pervert the data. I know several medical personnel who considered quitting because they were being forced to lie.
And the lying—that’s the real insult here. Misrepresenting the data to everyone, even fabricating stories to scare people, showing crowded hospital hallways in Italy and pretending they were in the US (where we have enough hospitals), all the fucking lying! Refusing to release the traditional monthly mortality figures CDC has published for decades so the real mortality of Covid could not be calculated by the unbribed masses, in order to scare everyone with fictions. suppressing all the data on treatment in order to encourage vaccinations. The lies upon lies upon lies piled to the sky.
Let us not forget that gain-of-function research was illegal, as OBama had banned it. Fauci violated the law and killed tens of millions of people worldwide.
Fauci needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. That’s not political. None of this should ever have been made political. It’s just common sense to look at the data and you can see, those who bought the lies, like me; certainly suffered the most.
The real experts who wrote Barrington knew from the start that the best option was to sequester the most vulnerable. Fauci lied to us again and again, first about the masks, then about social distancing, then about masks again, then about intubation, then about “two weeks to flatten the curve, then about masking children, and all the while lying about the fact he funded the research that leaked from a Chinese lab. Over and over that fucker lied to everyone.
Anyone can look at the results. The nations who did the least intervention, like Sweden; came out on top. The nations who acted the most hysterical and draconian, like Australia; came out on bottom. There is a very strong argument we should have done next to nothing and would all have been better off.
As to our great institutions of medical science, what we have to acknowledge is they’re only as good as the data they get. In this case, here in the US; CDC directed everyone to mischaracterize the mortality completely. All Covid related deaths were attributed to Covid. Hospitals were paid by the government to make Covid the culprit when it’s presence was only incidental. People who were healthy and died of motorcycle accidents were listed as Covid deaths to deliberately pervert the data. I know several medical personnel who considered quitting because they were being forced to lie.
And the lying—that’s the real insult here. Misrepresenting the data to everyone, even fabricating stories to scare people, showing crowded hospital hallways in Italy and pretending they were in the US (where we have enough hospitals), all the fucking lying! Refusing to release the traditional monthly mortality figures CDC has published for decades so the real mortality of Covid could not be calculated by the unbribed masses, in order to scare everyone with fictions. suppressing all the data on treatment in order to encourage vaccinations. The lies upon lies upon lies piled to the sky.
Let us not forget that gain-of-function research was illegal, as OBama had banned it. Fauci violated the law and killed tens of millions of people worldwide.
Fauci needs to spend the rest of his life in prison. That’s not political. None of this should ever have been made political. It’s just common sense to look at the data and you can see, those who bought the lies, like me; certainly suffered the most.
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