Countering Star Citizen "Spys"

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    This. This is beautiful. And hilarious. And very very true.
     
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    You can't eliminate nor stop spies. There are two tools for reducing their effectiveness. Our situation here at TEST is almost identical to that I face at work, and the solution is properly known as "Corporate Counterintelligence". CC generally operates in two spheres, passive and active. Passive CC involves keeping confidential information "compartmentalized" as much as possible, meaning you do not share things with whole groups until the moment to act, so no one can use the information about a plan until it is too late to do so. Compartmentalization is the key to all CC success and if you need to talk about what you do, you will never avoid spies. Compartmentalization requires you keep your mouth shut.

    Active CC involves carefully planned misdirection. It is wise to have a strategy of active CC, where you are continuously putting data out there for folks to steal that leads them in the wrong direction, and helps you locate who is collecting your false data. Identifying a spy and learning about them over long periods of time can be a fantastically useful thing, in that it gives you a way to deliberately misinform your opponents on the proper occasions. This takes more time and effort, but to be sure TEST would do well to have such active CC refined to a great art. Just needs people to want to spend their time thinking up the ploys used.

    BTW, just 2+ years ago now, intellectual property theft by the Chinese of American properties skyrocketed from the tens of billions each year, to over 300 billion dollars each year. IIRC, last year the thefts by the Chinese in the US were estimated at $318 Billion. That is more money than we spend on all our wars combined, and generally thefts like this justify war. Spies are very real and very busy. It is stupid to ignore them.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/NCSC/documents/Regulations/ProtectingKeyAssets_CorporateCIGuide.pdf
     
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    Absolutely amazing perfect and hilariously spot on, awesome writing.

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    Yep they stole our best fighter jet technology also recently and made their "Own" version....... IP is handled very badly these days as people don't understand when something is warrented as IP and how to handle/disclose the information. I'm always willing to help you guys structure information if needed I'm no Spai!
     
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    Spy... well, after not being hit with meaningless hate, they will spend more time on the good site. whether or not they are "Affiliated with a hate group" the wil realize they hang out with other groups more. unfortunately it becomes a departed scenario where they are litterally one of the group that they were in charge of monitoring.
    don't care a whole lot. private convos are private convos. KOS is not allowed so over time those orgs will be further banned..... not like AA is banned for their KOS, though I'll admit, their shenanigans have been severely diminished. I think sub groups will be more influential, plus I hope account criminal stats are attributed, not just character stats.
     
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    We already did a group buy for the one on the right, looks like you'll have to take the one on the left :ok_hand:
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    we are not secret org all here can do what they want i mean explore priate or any thing else

    the game its only in start i am sure when game be out our mangment make some rules who u can attack who u need leave allies enemys the game only in is alpha no points look for spyes rn or spies other org rn its useless alot changes need to coming
     
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    you will never stop all spies. They will become a fact of life. We have to design systems to resist being damaged by one or a few people. However, even that won't stop all of them. Spies occasionally penetrate as high as the board of directors of major alliances in EVE. They will go just as far in star citizen.
     
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    I am a Triple Agent!

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    This is why a good 'ol fashioned Tyranny may be just the ticket as far as Orgs go. Top dog has the account to move things about. Only way to steal all of that is to steal the account which is a crime in Real Life punishable by prison etc.

    Considering the 'Verse is going to be 90% NPC and 10% players and the UEE already has its boarders and processes defined, I don't feel the PU will be able to support the major kind of Org to Org territory shenanigans which make infiltration and destruction such an attractive option. It'd be like Pepsi and Coke suddenly having an all out war where Pepsi steals Cokes secret formula (if you recall, Pepsi was offered it by a thief and they reported him rather than look at the recepie).

    Yeah, some people will try to topple Orgs for 'Fun', but there is more than one way to have that kind of 'Fun':
    They can read these really whacky spreadsheets I keep on hand for when I meet people like that, wow they'll get a real kick out of 'em they have formulas and everything, and after that I have a tin of Beige paint for them to redecorate their rooms with and if they still haven't had enough 'Fun' at that point I'd introduce them to this Pet Rock they can play with for hours on end, and if that wasn't enough fun I have the Dictionary right here just waiting for them to read through and then write a 20,000 word Essay on... The potential for boring 'Fun' is figuratively limitless. Novelty Ties. Any Jigsaw ever created. Golf.
     
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    I don't get it.
     
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