Agreed. People are entitled to their own opinions, especially since this thread is about the difference in OP's expectations compared to the reality of the current release.
Loreville disappointment
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Sounds like my worksite lol every building is pretty much a clone of the others but with different people at diferent desks(Except my space i live and work in a big concrete box).
Need more assets to do that first i think alot of people dont realize that yet.
So since most people believe I am being unrealistic, I have a simple question, are you happy with the city of Loreville having less playable area than either Levski or Grim Hex?
Question back at you to be able to answer your question fully:
Of GrimHex, Levski and Lorville, which is fully finished?
There's a huge pair of hangar doors in the side of GrimHex which don't open, and there are loads of room doors in Levski that don't open. Lorville has loads of doors that don't open and only in the last patch release got a Central business district suggesting it is still very much a work in progress that is still being added to - the Charmans Club is only one of tens and tens of doors that are there with somthing to be behind them but don't open. That door will open one day, like the Aerospace Expo doors did. For a while. They don't go anywhere anymore too.
Even Olisar isn't finished, you can't walk from one spar to the other, you have to EVA, and the Rest Stops have a set of stairs in going to a second level that doesn't exist. Just ends in a wall.
Of the three you've mentioned it stands to reason Levski and GrimHex are more fully fleshed out - they've been around and have been worked on for longer.. but they are not finished...
I hate to break it to you like this, but you are comparing something they have not finished working on to other things they have not finished working on either. Nothings finished. Work in progress. Still in development. As I said originally: Alpha, yo.
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Presently Lorville is just a fancy tube which moves people from a mission giver to habs to hangars.
I hope for a lot more in future, I’m ok with waiting.
I hope for a lot more in future, I’m ok with waiting.
This game is at least 3 years out from a finished date if we are lucky, there is so much more that has to happen before CR and CIG even think about a release date for SC let alone 42, at first I thought this was just some criticism about Lorville which I don't have an issue with, its ok to criticize but seriously this has gotten way past simple criticism and into obnoxious. Yes I criticize but I also know this game is years from completion and I have way more concerns for funding than I do about how 1 city looks. Are my expectations high? Absolutely because I was promised this by CR and CIG am I saying they have failed? Absolutely not as I have said previous forums I am proud and give major props to CIG for what they have done this year, this year has been an absolutely success for SC and the people who work on it and I don't think its fair to slam those people over a city in its alpha, that doesn't mean I didn't expect more I did but it by no means mean the people suck who worked on it or CIG failed my expectations are always set high that is just me.
Anyways this has become more of a pissing contest than constructive criticism and I apologize for feeding to it!!
Anyways this has become more of a pissing contest than constructive criticism and I apologize for feeding to it!!
For the stage of development, for it's apparent role in game, and for what I expected Lorville is doing pretty good. I have a few issues with design objectives... My first thought was, "A subway? On train rails? Seriously?" but it seems to serve its purpose. It just wasn't exactly imaginative, nor does it take advantage of technology we currently have today. Don't even get me started on the wisdom of giving NPC's loaded weapons, then allow the NPC's with weapons to spawn so they start griefing each other. It's comical a little, but also annoying when they have an NPC vs NPC battle on the route to the landing pads, and you have to pass through it without getting shot. Just some examples, but I get that this is CIG working out some design objectives and game metrics.
The entire remainder of what I was saying in here was virtually the exact thing that @Phil is saying. Different words but same message. I'm inclined to accept a 3 year estimate, I made a 4 year estimate myself when I saw the roadmap and their close rate. But it's not fair to CIG to compare this with expectations that it's a finished game now. It isn't, and I don't believe CIG ever said it was.
The main reason I was disappointed in Lorville is because of my computer. I need to update it and right now the trains arrive invisible so I cant get on them. I have to play with graphics settings every time to eventually get on one. I was stuck in Lorville for a few days sadly.
Lol reading all this i think a few of you should take a break from testing for a couple major updates.
I never said any were fully finished.
What I am saying is that you should get more as time goes on, not less. Both Levski and Grim Hex are more fully realized, and have more playable space and features than the newer Loreville.
You are getting more as time goes on. Remember when GrimHex first arrived? Or Levski? Even Area 18 in the early days. Remember when Olisar didn't have any shops? These places didn't just arrive feature complete out of the box, they have existed and expanded and grown and become these lively places full of character over time, and don't forget they are not finished. I expect this to be the same with Lorville, and the CBD is proof enough in my eyes that the evolving approach is being taken with the city too.
I appreciate you're disappointed based on your previous experience and what you believe you could acchieve in their place, and I definitely get you that you expect a "city" to cover more space than a "mine" or "abandoned asteroid base". I think I get where you are coming from.
I feel I have already covered your main points of contention with my previous posts in regard to photography at my workplace and the speed that Lorville was probbably built on Planet Hurston in a practical feet-on-the-ground sense to suggest reasons why all the train stations and habitation zones look the same, so i'm not going to repeat them as we'll start circling. As for progress, where you seem to see just one city built to a disappointing level I see a city, on a planet, surrounded by four moons, served by multiple rest-stops and the rest of the progress introduced by this patch. We got a heck of a lot besides just one simple landing zone and supporting areas. I feel one would have to take all of that progress into account when drawing a judgement of what one could do with the time they had to do it in.
You are disappoint. I am not. Yet. I am expecting moar built on what has been provided, juat as GrimHex and Levski did, as that is the historical precedence for the way this particular company develops it's areas. Remember they are not only working on Lorville, it may be the first but they are also working on ArcCorp which being a planet-spanning city may end up being one of if not the biggest, Lorville is just a minnow in comparison. Don't forget they are also working on s42 as well which is a whole other game.
I don't think i'm going to convince you not to be disspointed - who could without changing the game to be what you would like it to be? - But one last question: considering ArcCorp is also in the same system and vastly, vastly bigger: how much of Lorville needs to be playable if it turns out all the action is over on ArcCorp city? You stated originally it's bad level design... what if the entire system is the level and Lorville is a minor part of that?
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So the ame is just about starships and pretty vistas, and not getting out of your ship.
No.. I just shared some nice pics of the Hawk in flight, totally of topic of cause : - p
I do not disagree with you on many things, more the way you laid it out and I know Lorville will grow a lot more so I'm not worried or do not care.
I am also well aware of the little setback they had to get OCS work right at first with the city, so it wasn't hard to figure out they simply left stuff out to keep the deadline.
That way we get some part of city to start exploring in rather than have non at all then they simply add stuff as they get fleshed out.
They simply give us what they need to be tested as the game being developed as we TEST(play) it, so having issues with any of how it is now is pretty much a waste of energi and time.
Since what every we see and learned today will have changed next patch.. etc.. etc.. etc.. not even the way the planet look will be the same in a couple month.
Some things get added then removed reworked then added again, this is all part of "alpha game" development cycle of game in this size.
Not to forget a game like this have never ever been done before ever, so comparing it to any other game is a bit on the edge of being silly even ridiculous.
Then software development and game development of game this magnitude have nothing in common with each other.
And to make this game they had to make a lot of their own software that didn't even exist, same with the game engine Lumberyard is totally rewritten to handle the concept of the game.
So there is nothing much to compare it with for it have never been done in the size like this before.
There in is why my reluctant to take unresearched criticism serious, even if it have some kind of a points but is not well rooted and carry no logic and can't be applied to the situation.
It's nothing personell against you or anyone having issues.
It simply come down to the fact if any one get irritated when using something that is being built and it can't be altered it's time to step back and look at it from another angle.
Banging the head against the wall never works, just add to the frustration and if there is no other angle at the time, well then it's time to go do something else and come back later.
CHEERS! : -D
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Some more totally of topic random screen shots, as way not : -D : -p
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