My Experience with ADI, Atlas Defense Industries.

Montoya

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When I went to the Falcon Heavy launch last year I spent my time with a member from ADI irl, pretty cool dude. I forget who it was but if this gets back to him im sure he remembers who I am.
Same, every ADI member I have met IRL events are all very nice people.

Do not judge the entire org by the actions of a single, or small group of people.
 

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I guess I can share a little more info that will clarify this matter.

Over the years I regularly get approached by ex ADI, and I asked the same question: "Why are you coming to me with this?"

ADI needs a big bad guy in their lives, and I am the obvious choice!

The reason he and others before him reach out to me is because ADI openly boast about having set a private investigator (IRL detective LEO) on me to look into my personal life.

Some ADI members love this level of intrusion.

A silent majority of ADI members find it uncomfortable and a thinly veiled threat against them should they ever turn their backs on their org.
Check the laws in Canada, it may be illegal for them to pull this amount of information on you over there. The more and more I read, it's just a matter of time until they cross the wrong person.
 

JayC

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I guess I can share a little more info that will clarify this matter.

Over the years I regularly get approached by ex ADI, and I asked the same question: "Why are you coming to me with this?"

ADI needs a big bad guy in their lives, and I am the obvious choice!

The reason he and others before him reach out to me is because ADI openly boast about having set a private investigator (IRL detective LEO) on me to look into my personal life.

Some ADI members love this level of intrusion.

A silent majority of ADI members find it uncomfortable and a thinly veiled threat against them should they ever turn their backs on their org.
Why people do what they do, I'm not sure... TEST and ADI are completely different organizations, maybe that is the reason... Maybe what we consider false allegations of hacking by a member of TEST leadership might be another reason. Either way, ADI isn't for most gamers, and when people realize that fact, a small minority react badly, and want others to also react badly so they spread misleading or false information.

We go months without mentioning TEST or Montoya on the leadership side of ADI, but we do use an incident where ADI was falsely accused of hacking CIG servers, due to an ADI staffer getting drunk and talking about stuff he didn't understand at a bar citizen as a lesson in operational security. That there are people who want to tear what we're building down because it doesn't conform to their world view of how a gaming group should work... Those types of people for some reason try to make mountains out of mole hills, or flat out make stuff up to justify why they left, or were kicked out of ADI.

As for OmniPort, it never occurred to us that somebody would be stupid enough to think we were trying to rent ships for real world money since we never mention anything related to real world money. But, we've since added a clear disclaimer to the website, proving once again when you think it's idiot proof the Internet will find you a bigger idiot.

As for the OP, we kicked him out of ADI, we had our reasons, and the entire senior leadership team is in agreement that kicking him out of ADI was the right thing to do... For more than 4 years we didn't publicly or internally explain our reasons for kicking him out... until he publicly made false claims here and on Facebook. We've never dox'd him, or even publicly mentioned his online gaming handle or real name. While explaining this situation to our members we've just referred to him as John Doe.

Until Monday morning when we found out about the posts, nobody in ADI's leadership had contact with 'John' for more than 4 years. We all considered the manner settled. The last time I checked, gaming clans are free to kick people out for any reason aren't they? We didn't condemn Montoya for kicking RedSquadronLeader out of TEST :)

Now as for the collection of social media on members, we do NOT require social media links and, we do NOT require that people have to disclose their full name in order to join ADI. During the interview/onboarding process we have fields that can be filled out, but they are not required fields and most members don't provide social media links. We DO require some members of staff to provide more information, and in some cases face to face meetings... but with all the spying going on, and the crazy stuff you read about Eve, we feel these requirements are justified. For example, just this past weekend an apparent TEST member joined ADI, provided false information during the onboarding process and then proceeded to screencap our private forums and post those images publicly, ask that person if he was required to provide a full name and social media links. Maybe we're not paranoid enough?

Montoya, I can promise you, ADI hasn't engaged the services of a PI, or anybody else for that matter to look into your personal life, if somebody did that I would kick them out of ADI. Just like a lot of other large orgs we watch the public forums/websites of other organizations to see what they're talking about, but we don't collect any personal information, real names, addresses, etc on anybody in another organization. Which is why I finally made a JayC profile on this website and I'm responding to these false allegations.

I'm personally not a fan of Montoya, I feel that he and Citizen404 either knew at the time, or for sure know now that ADI didn't hack into any CIG servers, or use any other 'secret' method other than what anybody could do with a standard web browser and a spreadsheet... but so far have failed to publicly withdraw those accusations... they remain to this day as a forum post here at TEST. These rumors continue to spread even today, even though CIG cleared us of any wrong doing in writing 4+ years ago.

But, even though I have my disagreements with Montoya and TEST, I still work with him on a regular basis, answering questions, providing him information about issues that impact both ADI and TEST. I make sure that no ADI member posts anything about TEST publicly, because I don't want ADI members spreading rumors about TEST that may later turn out to be false.

TEST and ADI are on complete opposite ends of the organization spectrum, I personally think the community needs organizations from both ends of the spectrum... not everybody has the same play style, or expectations in an organization.

JayC
Atlas Defense Industries
 
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NaffNaffBobFace

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Why people do what they do, I'm not sure... TEST and ADI are completely different organizations, maybe that is the reason... Maybe what we consider false allegations of hacking by a member of TEST leadership might be another reason. Either way, ADI isn't for most gamers, and when people realize that fact, a small minority react badly, and want others to also react badly so they spread misleading or false information.

We go months without mentioning TEST or Montoya on the leadership side of ADI, but we do use an incident where ADI was falsely accused of hacking CIG servers, due to an ADI staffer getting drunk and talking about stuff he didn't understand at a bar citizen as a lesson in operational security. That there are people who want to tear what we're building down because it doesn't conform to their world view of how a gaming group should work... Those types of people for some reason try to make mountains of of mole hills, or flat out make stuff up to justify why they left, or we're kicked out of ADI.

As for OmniPort, it never occurred to us that somebody would be stupid enough to think we were trying to rent ships for real world money since we never mention anything related to real world money. But, we've since added a clear disclaimer to the website, proving once again when you think it's idiot proof the Internet will find you a bigger idiot.

As for the OP, we kicked him out of ADI, we had our reasons, and the entire senior leadership team is in agreement that kicking him out of ADI was the right thing to do... For more than 4 years we didn't publicly or internally explain our reasons for kicking him out... until he publicly made false claims here and on Facebook. We've never dox'd him, or even publicly mentioned his online gaming handle or real name. While explaining this situation to our members we've just referred to him as John Doe.

Until Monday morning when we found out about the posts, nobody in ADI's leadership had contact with 'John' for more than 4 years. We all considered the manner settled. The last time I checked, gaming clans are free to kick people out for any reason aren't they? We didn't condemn Montoya for kicking RedSquadronLeader out of TEST :)

Now as for the collection of social media on members, we do NOT require social media links and, we do NOT require that people have to disclose their full name in order to join ADI. During the interview/onboarding process we have fields that can be filled out, but the are not required fields and most members don't provide social media links. We DO require some members of staff to provide more information, and in some cases face to face meetings... but with all the spying going on, and the crazy stuff you read about Eve, we feel these requirements are justified. For example, just this past weekend an apparent TEST member joined ADI, provided false information during the onboarding process and then proceeded to screencap our private forums and post those images publicly, ask that person if he was required to provide a full name and social media links. Maybe we're not paranoid enough?

Montoya, I can promise you, ADI hasn't engaged the services of a PI, or anybody else for that matter to look into your personal life, if somebody did that I would kick them out of ADI. Just like a lot of other large orgs we watch the public forums/websites of other organizations to see what they're talking about, but we don't collect any personal information, real names, addresses, etc on anybody in another organization. Which is why I finally made a JayC profile on this website and I'm responding to these false allegations.

I'm personally not a fan of Montoya, I feel that he and Citizen404 either knew at the time, or for sure know now that ADI didn't hack into any CIG servers, or use any other 'secret' method other than what anybody could do with a standard web browser and a spreadsheet... but so far have failed to publicly withdraw those accusations... they remain to this day as a forum post here at TEST. These rumors continue to spread even today, even though CIG cleared us of any wrong doing in writing 4+ years ago.

But, even though I have my disagreements with Montoya and TEST, I still work with him on a regular basis, answering questions, providing him information about issues that impact both ADI and TEST. I make sure that no ADI member posts anything about TEST publicly, because I don't want ADI members spreading rumors about TEST that may later turn out to be false.

TEST and ADI are on complete opposite ends of the organization spectrum, I personally think the community needs organizations from both ends of the spectrum... not everybody has the same play style, or expectations in an organization.

JayC
Atlas Defense Industries
Welcome to TEST !

A bit wordy for a first post, you'll have to work on being a fan of Montoya if you want to get more likes, too 😉 😛

But seriously, thanks for bringing another piece of the puzzle and clarification on various aspects such as data.

Talking of Data, If Montoya or another staffer can confirm JayC is indeed the ORG Leader and not some randomer pretending, that'd be grand 🙂

🍿
 
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NaffNaffBobFace

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You're welcome to poke me on RSI Spectrum if you'd like to verify I'm a real boy, and not Pinocchio.
Kind thanks for reaching out and offering, it's appreciated, however I feel as I am not a trusted source such as a staffer any personal confirmation would only result in my own curiosity being sated and you'd risk having others contacting to prove for themselves 😉

I personally don't doubt it's yourself, however only official confirmation would put that on the record. 👍
 

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Why the fuck can't you guys just enjoy the game? You are treating this more seriously than some nation's cover up their war crimes or something. Like holy fuck just leave test alone and play the game, that's why we are the biggest org and you ain't. We don't fuck with this "private forms" and all these requirements to get into the org, we just get drunk and play the game. Why can't you guys do the same?
 
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JayC

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Why the fuck can't you guys just enjoy the game? You are treating this more seriously than some nation's cover up their war crimes or something. Like holy fuck just leave test alone and play the game, that's why we are the biggest org and you ain't. We don't fuck with this "private forms" and all these requirements to get into the org, we just get drunk and play the game. Why can't you guys do the same?
No offense, until Montoya mentioned he had been told we hired somebody to collect personal information on him, I stayed out of this dumpster fire.... but, clearly some folks think we really are that serious about a game. For the record, nobody at ADI has ever done such a thing, if they did, I'd personally kick them out.

We're a lot more serious than TEST, but until you have somebody you've not had any contact with for more than 4 years like the OP, threaten to call the police, in hopes that something bad happening, please don't preach to me about taking stuff too seriously.

Don't believe me, ask Montoya if the OP made that threat, he has first hand knowledge and personally warned me.
 
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