Possible December Sale Predictions

ColdDog · Dec 1, 2020

CIG is running out of ideas for heavy hitters in the $600 price range... 8 years later I have all the roles I want at the moment - from a gladiator to a kraken. They need to finish this game now, this can only last so long, whether today or sometime in the next couple years, it will eventually loose steam. I am personally amazed they (CIG) has lasted as long as they have with the product they have produced. Time is the killer of us all, human or video games. I was 43 years old when I first bought into the game, now I am 50! I'll be dead by the time we have something real. Imagine, I ordered a new F250 is 2013 and they told me they could not deliver it until 2022. Would I buy it, no. There has to be something in the law to make CIG respect us... just saying.

AntiSqueaker · Dec 1, 2020

I still wonder if "refinery" means ore refining or fuel refining a la Starfarer.

To be frank I don't know if Ore Refining could be fun or viable as a standalone ship. You would basically have to have someone out mining ore, and then have to have it be more profitable to do it on site than just taking it back to a refinery deck. Maaaaaaaaybe if it can refine Quantum fuel, but that's a slim hope to hang a hat on.

To me I think it's more likely (and would be more fun) to have a smaller Starfarer. It's a big ship and currently the only ship capable of large scale Hydrogen fuel refining (and should get it's ability to refine quantum fuel back, but CR saw Solo and got "inspired" by Coaxium) and refuel other ships (yes the Vulcan can do it as well but that's via drones, not with a fuel boom, you know what I mean).

It's also 300 dollars which is kinda expensive for being the only ship capable of it. I can easily see a 120-150$ single person Freelancer/MSR sized tanker/fuel refiner having a comfortable niche to inhabit.

I have a Starfarer but I would also like something that's not so ponderous, but can be a more heavy duty refueling platform than the Vulcan.

Alia_and_Gotin · Dec 1, 2020

I just noticed, while browsing the ship sale page, that the Hull C is marked as :
IN PRODUCTION
Currently being built and tested for implementation in-game.

All the other Hulls are shown as just Concept Finished.

AntiSqueaker · Dec 1, 2020

ColdDog said:
CIG is running out of ideas for heavy hitters in the $600 price range... 8 years later I have all the roles I want at the moment - from a gladiator to a kraken. They need to finish this game now, this can only last so long, whether today or sometime in the next couple years, it will eventually loose steam. I am personally amazed they (CIG) has lasted as long as they have with the product they have produced. Time is the killer of us all, human or video games. I was 43 years old when I first bought into the game, now I am 50! I'll be dead by the time we have something real. Imagine, I ordered a new F250 is 2013 and they told me they could not deliver it until 2022. Would I buy it, no. There has to be something in the law to make CIG respect us... just saying.

Mate they had their literal best day of funding when the Perseus came out. 3 million and change in a single day, 16 million in all of November.

2020 has been their most successful year ever as far as money goes, why on earth would they kill the gravy train? They make more money by not finishing the game lol

ColdDog · Dec 1, 2020

AntiSqueaker said:
Mate they had their literal best day of funding when the Perseus came out. 3 million and change in a single day, 16 million in all of November.

So you're saying this will last for ever? Wow and Eve started in 2004 with a game... we don't even have that - 8 years, wow and eve would have had to start ASKING for money in 1996. Even to put this game (even though it is not) in the legend category is wrong. It is not a legend game yet, the more time that goes by with out a product, the more ridicule they will get as a scam. I have a ton of money invested in this game, but enough is enough. This will not last forever, there are only so many people willing to spend $600 on a concept; Normal people would call that crazy... I call it a dream fading. Enjoy the success... even people in their prime are put to pasture with time.

Michael · Dec 1, 2020

AntiSqueaker said:
I still wonder if "refinery" means ore refining or fuel refining a la Starfarer.

To be frank I don't know if Ore Refining could be fun or viable as a standalone ship. You would basically have to have someone out mining ore, and then have to have it be more profitable to do it on site than just taking it back to a refinery deck. Maaaaaaaaybe if it can refine Quantum fuel, but that's a slim hope to hang a hat on.

To me I think it's more likely (and would be more fun) to have a smaller Starfarer. It's a big ship and currently the only ship capable of large scale Hydrogen fuel refining (and should get it's ability to refine quantum fuel back, but CR saw Solo and got "inspired" by Coaxium) and refuel other ships (yes the Vulcan can do it as well but that's via drones, not with a fuel boom, you know what I mean).

It's also 300 dollars which is kinda expensive for being the only ship capable of it. I can easily see a 120-150$ single person Freelancer/MSR sized tanker/fuel refiner having a comfortable niche to inhabit.

I have a Starfarer but I would also like something that's not so ponderous, but can be a more heavy duty refueling platform than the Vulcan.

I don't think it will be a mini Starfarer.

Profit with a dedicated ore refinery would start with not having to haul your ore back to base while mining. Imagine a small gang of two or three prospectors mining through the asteroid belt while not need to take care of transporting and refining it in base. You just let your ore refinery do the refining on site and when filled do the transport or hand it over to a dedicated hauler. Also it might help with unstable materials which the refinery converts into a stable product.
I also always assumed that refined material will take less space so less flying around and more profit.

Another option might be general refinery not capabale of extracting any material, but a lot more flexible than the Starfarer.
So maybe in the future we will see other ships like the prospector which can harvest fuel but not refine it. And the refinery will be able to refine those into fuel/quantum fuel (?)

vahadar · Dec 1, 2020

Alia_and_Gotin said:
I just noticed, while browsing the ship sale page, that the Hull C is marked as :
IN PRODUCTION
Currently being built and tested for implementation in-game.

All the other Hulls are shown as just Concept Finished.

Nice catch ! I am really waiting on the Hull series.

NaffNaffBobFace · Dec 1, 2020

Alia_and_Gotin said:
I just noticed, while browsing the ship sale page, that the Hull C is marked as :
IN PRODUCTION
Currently being built and tested for implementation in-game.

All the other Hulls are shown as just Concept Finished.

vahadar said:
Nice catch ! I am really waiting on the Hull series.

Apparently it was fairly finished a while back but they ran into problems with moving physics grids and ship docking which delayed it, the ship has been waiting for the tech rather than having the ship launch and wait like the Reclaimer, Starfarer etc.

FZD · Dec 1, 2020

NaffNaffBobFace said:
Apparently it was fairly finished a while back but they ran into problems with moving physics grids and ship docking which delayed it, the ship has been waiting for the tech rather than having the ship launch and wait like the Reclaimer, Starfarer etc.

Nomad feels like it might be sort of a test for Hull series, what with also having an external cargo space that moves up and down.

FZD · Dec 1, 2020

Michael said:
Another option might be general refinery not capabale of extracting any material, but a lot more flexible than the Starfarer.
So maybe in the future we will see other ships like the prospector which can harvest fuel but not refine it. And the refinery will be able to refine those into fuel/quantum fuel (?)

I mean, Prospector already extracts fuel that it can't refine (Quantanium) which kinda makes me wonder... Does starfarer require a prospector to actually get quantanium? Can starfarer produce quantum fuel through other means? Or will starfarer be just the kinda... real dumb way of getting hydrogen fuel? I just might sell my gemini if that happens. I was kinda expecting starfarer to be able to make quantum fuel by visiting gas planets... =/

Grimbli · Dec 1, 2020

FZD said:
I mean, Prospector already extracts fuel that it can't refine (Quantanium) which kinda makes me wonder... Does starfarer require a prospector to actually get quantanium? Can starfarer produce quantum fuel through other means? Or will starfarer be just the kinda... real dumb way of getting hydrogen fuel? I just might sell my gemini if that happens. I was kinda expecting starfarer to be able to make quantum fuel by visiting gas planets... =/

They said a while ago they were removing the ability for it to get quantanium and instead leaving it to just refining. I'm keeping mine, because I can always use it as a beefy guard for my mining ship. With a decent cargo hold it can even take a lot of ore to hold while the Mole keeps mining. And any quantanium that does get mined won't mean a trek back to the refinery since the Gemini can just take it and make it stable.

I really do hope they get fueling in soon and rework the Starfarers as they're severely outdated. I'm especially hoping they make the Base and Gemini different so I can have my massive guns, that'll help with guarding the miners. Dual S6 turrets are no joke!

FZD · Dec 1, 2020

Grimbli said:
They said a while ago they were removing the ability for it to get quantanium and instead leaving it to just refining. I'm keeping mine, because I can always use it as a beefy guard for my mining ship. With a decent cargo hold it can even take a lot of ore to hold while the Mole keeps mining. And any quantanium that does get mined won't mean a trek back to the refinery since the Gemini can just take it and make it stable.

I really do hope they get fueling in soon and rework the Starfarers as they're severely outdated. I'm especially hoping they make the Base and Gemini different so I can have my massive guns, that'll help with guarding the miners. Dual S6 turrets are no joke!

Oh, that's a shame. And yeah, I kinda like how beefy Gemini is, but... if gemini can't produce quantum fuel without a miner and a suitable location for mining... that's very limiting. Also kinda depends on how much those external fuel tanks will add to Geminis fuel capacity, I presume the current 11k is just the ship's own tanks. I mean, has to be. There aren't really any ships using S3 quantum drive that didn't have 11k or more quantum fuel. All the others have 11k or 44k in starfarers size class, and the starfarer is the only one of these that has literally half the ship worth of fuel tanks.

Also I think they might've just changed the turret sizes, Gemini is currently one size larger than the base starfarer, but instead of S5 and S6 guns, it's just S4 and S5...

NaffNaffBobFace · Dec 1, 2020

FZD said:
Oh, that's a shame. And yeah, I kinda like how beefy Gemini is, but... if gemini can't produce quantum fuel without a miner and a suitable location for mining... that's very limiting. Also kinda depends on how much those external fuel tanks will add to Geminis fuel capacity, I presume the current 11k is just the ship's own tanks. I mean, has to be. There aren't really any ships using S3 quantum drive that didn't have 11k or more quantum fuel. All the others have 11k or 44k in starfarers size class, and the starfarer is the only one of these that has literally half the ship worth of fuel tanks.

Also I think they might've just changed the turret sizes, Gemini is currently one size larger than the base starfarer, but instead of S5 and S6 guns, it's just S4 and S5...

That explains why in all the images I've seen of the 'Farer it's got redonkulous huge top turret guns! I had no idea it was supposed to have them - you've helped make my evening

Now just gotta wait to be able to slave that nonsense to the pilot

Grimbli · Dec 1, 2020

NaffNaffBobFace said:
That explains why in all the images I've seen of the 'Farer it's got redonkulous huge top turret guns! I had no idea it was supposed to have them - you've helped make my evening

Now just gotta wait to be able to slave that nonsense to the pilot

The Reclaimer top turret is S6 right now if you want to see how they perform. Shit's ridiculous!

marcsand2 · Dec 1, 2020

Tevarin is new, we don't have enough fighters

Sky Captain · Dec 1, 2020

I'll vote for the Heph. Its as good a bet as any!

Radegast74 · Dec 1, 2020

AntiSqueaker said:
Mate they had their literal best day of funding when the Perseus came out. 3 million and change in a single day, 16 million in all of November.

2020 has been their most successful year ever as far as money goes, why on earth would they kill the gravy train? They make more money by not finishing the game lol

ColdDog said:
So you're saying this will last for ever? Wow and Eve started in 2004 with a game... we don't even have that - 8 years, wow and eve would have had to start ASKING for money in 1996. Even to put this game (even though it is not) in the legend category is wrong. It is not a legend game yet, the more time that goes by with out a product, the more ridicule they will get as a scam. I have a ton of money invested in this game, but enough is enough. This will not last forever, there are only so many people willing to spend $600 on a concept; Normal people would call that crazy... I call it a dream fading. Enjoy the success... even people in their prime are put to pasture with time.

I think you are both right, in a way...I think CIG definitely keeps one eye on deadlines, and another on the funding coming in. If the funding keeps coming in, they can keep "making" the game, and keep postponing the "actual release" (and since it is an MMO, it will always be in development, with updates). Having said that, they can monkey around with the dates by knowingly selling ships the know we will all throw our wallets at...

With the Perseus, I believe CIG was thinking, "Crap, we need another year for development...what ship could we sell that would give us enough funding to get another year of dev time?" The marketing answer was "Something about $600 with BIG PEW PEWs on the front!"

CR has said before they look at it like a business with money going in and out, and how much do they have and how much do they need to go for x number of months. We are seeing some smart business people here, the kind that didn't need to go to school and get an MBA. I'm not saying that in a cynical way, I've sunk a lot of money in the game, and I have a lot of confidence it will get done right. Whether I live to see that day is another question!

Sirus7264 · Dec 1, 2020

Radegast74 said:
I think you are both right, in a way...I think CIG definitely keeps one eye on deadlines, and another on the funding coming in. If the funding keeps coming in, they can keep "making" the game, and keep postponing the "actual release" (and since it is an MMO, it will always be in development, with updates). Having said that, they can monkey around with the dates by knowingly selling ships the know we will all throw our wallets at...

With the Perseus, I believe CIG was thinking, "Crap, we need another year for development...what ship could we sell that would give us enough funding to get another year of dev time?" The marketing answer was "Something about $600 with BIG PEW PEWs on the front!"

CR has said before they look at it like a business with money going in and out, and how much do they have and how much do they need to go for x number of months. We are seeing some smart business people here, the kind that didn't need to go to school and get an MBA. I'm not saying that in a cynical way, I've sunk a lot of money in the game, and I have a lot of confidence it will get done right. Whether I live to see that day is another question!

The other thing people forget is yeah its taken 8 years but in comparison with the graphics etc we had 8 years ago and what they are offering us now and the level of tech being created and constantly reworked to be "Cutting Edge" the game is still going to be up to date.

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