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Mike Zeroh was convinced Keanu Reeves is gonna play Revan in a live adaptation of KOTOR when:

1) There’s no evidence that Disney is working on a KOTOR show and…..

2) There is zeroh (lol) proof that Keanu Reeves even has any contact with Lucasfilm/Disney.

Mike Zeroh is a hack. Why are certain members here lapping up this clickbait stuff? It’s so obviously fake it’s painful.
 

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Naff, I don’t want to maintain this animosity, so I’m willing to give discourse another try. However fair warning: if at any time I again feel you’re patronizing me in order to make some Leftist point, or are in any other way duplicitous, that will be our permanent disconnect. I respect people when they disagree with me. I do not respect when people patronize others and come to a discussion with a hidden agenda.

As to this DEI issue: there are a million places you can research what it is. Simply put, it replaces meritocracy or valuing someone based upon their character, with a grievance special Olympics where people claim their membership in some minority group entitles them to something: a job, monetary compensation, etc. DEI values diversity of race, sexual preference, etc. but it in no sense values diversity of ideas. It is absolutely draconian when it comes to gatekeeping institutions from heterogeneity. Everyone needs to think alike—like a fascist authoritarian regime. DEI wants people to be hired and fired based upon minority group membership and that is never going to yield a successful society. On its face it makes no sense. Do you want your airline pilot to be hired for her hours in the cockpit or because she checks the proper grievance boxes?

DEI is the pregnant form of Post-Modernism. P-M is the philosophical idea behind this disease, and it’s really helpful to understand ideas from a philosophical perspective. If you want to engage in this (and indeed it is the substance behind all the Disney news), I suggest watch this little primer and ask questions from it. Hicks is a world class Intellectual Historian and this is the best short history I’ve ever seen.

Let me tip my hand and say where I think this goes wrong and the only way it can be properly addressed. Epistemological skepticism is wrong. Claiming we can’t know truth is wrong. Pretending all narratives have equal value is wrong. The only way out of this mess is to assert and explain how truth matters. The moment you let go of truth as an objective thing to be grasped, you are in an intellectually hopeless and irredeemable position, IMHO.

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Thanks for stepping back from animosity, it saddens me to hear if I was coming across as such and am delighted to hear you may feel able to move from that place. Never my intention to distress any member of TEST, a passion for exploring a topic is not validation for such an affect on others.

"it replaces meritocracy" Aha, so from your perspective very much positive discrimination it sounds, I think I see.

At this point I have many more questions to explore this including examples going all the way back to women's suffrage for the vote and the gradual adoption leading to the eventual 19th Amendment, but can see that exploration is a journey in a similar vein as the last time we started to really discuss this kind of thing in depth which resulted in the aforementioned anomicities between us - now hopefully a thing of the past and a position of relations I have no desire to revisit.

Knowingly the potential for further friction on this particular topic I don't see any value in asking or exploring only to return to a point of animosity - as said I'm not out to ruin your day or cause issues with members so as previously promised I will continue my reading on this independently and look forward to your next post on a neutral topic.

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"it replaces meritocracy" Aha, so from your perspective very much positive discrimination it sounds, I think I see
Yes. Keep in mind that if it were not this, it would have to be nothing at all. Were DEI as is often claimed, merely an attempt at equality, there would be zero difference between it and the egalitarianism we had before its appearance. Rather, DEI comes directly from the anti-racist writings of Ibram X Kendi, which is teaching that there needs to be not a stronger move to equality, but rather past equality to a form of compensatory justice, called “reparations”. This is what Hicks explains in detail, and the force behind both calls for retribution in the form of cash awards, and discrimination in hiring. This attitude is everywhere today and it is not based upon notions of equality. See the vid.

As an aside let me also note that upon the very few occasions where the Left is still focused on equality rather than compensatory justice, they have fallen prey to ignorance concerning the issue of how the crossed purposes of equality and freedom have played out in the past. The ancient Greeks dissected this problem for us 2,400 years ago—equality and freedom are indeed at crossed purposes unless you restrain equality. If you decide equality of opportunity is not enough, but instead strive for equality of outcome, three things will happen.

First, you will reward the lazy and unskilled at the cost of the hard workers—the thing that kills communism. Second, you develop an attitude completely at odds with sober notions of merit. Third, you sacrifice freedom on the alter of equality, because the ONLY way to get equal outcomes given unequal performance is through powerful, state coercion. You have to become an oppressor. And this is the lesson played out for us all the decades of the Cold War. State oppression and coercion cannot deliver utopia. It violates freedom and delivers the inevitable collectivist conclusion which is always at complete odds with freedom.

BTW, we can see these lessons learned in Ancient Greece played out for us today, not just during the Cold War.

In Ancient Greece when pursuing equality of outcome, on many occasions the Greeks divied up lands taken in conquest and apportioned them as equally as possible, in order to have equality of outcome. The immediate result was always the same. Those who wanted to build a future purchased more land from those who merely wanted cash, and in no time at all enormous inequalities of outcome appeared out of thin air.

This exact same dynamic is playing out today in South Africa, where lands that were paid for decades ago are being illegally seized by the government and redistributed to those of African heritage. There have been three waves of this collectivist, equality of outcome oppression happen in South Africa during the last twenty years, and people are dying. In the 90’s, this land reform was equitable and voluntary to some degree, but since 2006, the government has been either seizing farms, or forcing their purchase vastly below market rate, all in the name of addressing inequalities in the past. Farmers who work the land are being stollen from so those who will not can have the farmers’ just rewards, but those who receive the land simply sell it back to the Dutch farmers families who purchased it legally over a century ago. This is breeding huge violence on both sides.

Crowds of native Africans convinced by this collectivist, anti-Western dogma of equality of outcome routinely murder Dutch farmers who’s relatives legally paid for their farm lands. Any time civilization is forced to this point, you should hunt for demons. Surely only demons can rationalize murder in this way.

This is what happened in ancient Greece, whereby we thought we’d learned our lesson. It’s what has been happening in Africa for decades. It’s where the collectivists here in the US are trying to force us through DEI and compensatory justice. It’s murder.

These lessons learned in Greece concern what is typically called “private property rights” and are part of the bed rock foundations of Western Civilization. We ought not take them for granted. These understandings are important. They probably originated in the codification of the Mosaic Law, but developed separately in Greece. We very deliberately wrote them into our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution here in the US.

“In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson changed Locke's formula of “life, liberty, and property” to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” but this modification did not diminish the strong American identification of the right to property as an essential liberty.”

“The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that "no person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

There was a time, for over 200 years, where these parts of our history were common understanding. They were taught in public schools. There was always a core requirement in Western Civ as necessary for ALL academic degrees (Bachlors, Masters and Doctorate). Indeed, The Academy was created by Socrates, Plato and Aristotle specifically to safeguard these kinds of ideas in the attempt to make self-governance possible. The Academy was not created to equip for the job market. It was created to make better citizens and part of this is to understand these lessons from the past so we don’t repeat the murder.

Think about the changes we’ve seen here as result of this entitlement version of justice. Laws now protect looters who fill garbage bags with thousands of dollars in merchandise and walk out of the most expensive stores, all in the name of equity. Colleges hire a couple hundred DEI officers while paying part time professors Burger King wages. The land is abuzz with free money and free stuff. All you need is a grievance. That’s what DEI is—the Grievance Olympics. It’s nothing like equality and nothing like justice.
 
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You realize, the reason I blocked Aramsolari is his habit of attacking people when he disagrees with their ideas. He’s doing it again, and you’re doing it with him.

If you don’t have any cogent thoughts on the substance of my post, please don’t post. Posting attacks on me because you disagree with me is bad form. Bad form, I say!

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You have the right to be batshit crazy. I just simply asked if you were ok. You seemed to need your teddy bear or something. Continue losing your head I guess.
 
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Dude spams the same shit all the time from the same YouTuber who from all accounts is a click baiting grifter (Just look at that channel). Our friend here thinks these forums are his personal soapbox or something. The mods here made it explicitly clear that political/religious/etc. stuff is to be avoided but he obviously didn't get the memo. It's too bad these forums are kinda dead these days, we're not even getting any active moderation.
 
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Dude spams the same shit all the time from the same YouTuber who from all accounts is a click baiting grifter (Just look at that channel). Our friend here thinks these forums are his personal soapbox or something. The mods here made it explicitly clear that political/religious/etc. stuff is to be avoided but he obviously didn't get the memo. It's too bad these forums are kinda dead these days, we're not even getting any active moderation.
But how will I know if I should be angry about Star Wars or not if I dont come get my clickbait wokesism is a mind virus content from here??!?
 

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Discourse of any type requires a shared reality between participants. Some folks just found....interesting 'realities' during the pandemic. THIS is why we can't have nice things...
I mean it's not even that. It's his instance on using only one source.

You have YouTube 'personalities' who are obviously clickbait grifters coming up with all sorts of crazy shit. Practically all their videos are about generating false outrage and getting nerds all wound up like an oversalted pretzel.

Like I get it our friend here leans a bit to the right, sure whatever. It's his sole reliance on this Mike Zeroh guy for practically all his entertainment news that annoys me. This YouTuber claims he has all the inside scoop on well.....everything. "Ryan Reynolds hating DEI stuff and giving Disney ultimatums?". Reynolds who leans so Right he donated hundreds of thousands to the NAACP, ACLU, and organizations helping Indigenous Canadian women suffering from domestic abuse? To top it off he even had a program supporting underrepresented minorities (visible color, LGBTQ) in obtaining production internships for his company. Super Right wing, DEI hating activities right?

It's as if some people just look at his buff Deadpool persona and say yup.....he's an Anti-Woke, Lefty hating Man's Man. Like for crying out loud the dude grew up in the Kitsilano neigbourhood in Vancouver. I'm from Vancouver and know the neigbourhoods quite well. Only East Vancouver beats 'Kits' it in terms of progressiveness.

I work in film and have worked with numerous actors from both Marvel and Star Wars properties. Hell I've even worked with a number of actors who voiced characters in SQ42. Anyway I've had lengthy conversations with many of them on set and at wrap parties. Most of them are without a doubt some of the kindest, respectful, intellectually curious, and thoughtful individuals around. It's as you kinda have to be when you're working with diverse cast/crew from all walks of life (I'm Asian).
 
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Guys, don’t put partisan hate in my mouth. I’m addressing the subject and you’re all off on political rants. You don’t need to be on the political Right nor Left to make these observations about Reynolds, etc. I have no idea where Reynolds is on the political spectrum. There are plenty of people on the Left who are rejecting the DEI nonsense and all wokism for purely practical purposes. Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Dave Rubin, Africa Brooke, Warren Buffet, Joe Rogan, Hakeem Jeffries, Bill Maher, Susan Neiman, Brandon Straka, and virtually all working comedians refuse to work with the mind virus. I would remind you that Tulsi Gabbard was Vice Chair in the Democrat National Committee for four years, and the last person knocked out of the Democrat Presidential Primaries by Joe Biden. She represents tens of millions of Americans. Time Magazine recently published a piece about Democrats begging their own party to ditch woke extremism. This coverage above is about Reynolds, but it could have been about anyone in the industry.

The point at issue is Disney, and particularly the Star Wars (but also Marvel) property, and how philosophical bias is twisting, damaging and destroying the property, and generating projects no one likes.

I do not appreciate it that people leave all the substantial discussion here alone, and jump in with personal attacks and whining. If you need to whine and can’t manage to digest this issue, maybe go somewhere else and whimper? You’re not adding to the discussion.

For what it’s worth, Mike Zeroh reads directly from The Trades, which are extremely important to Hollywood. If you don’t like what he says you are free to get copies of the trade publications of Hollywood and report on Disney yourself. No one is stopping you. I watch Zeroh because I don’t have time to read the trades myself, and I find his coverage adequate. If you don’t, you don’t have to read this thread.

Politics is down stream from culture. Culture’s cutting edges are art and philosophy. That’s where I turn to get a handle on what’s happening in Western Civilization and Hollywood is the cutting edge of the arts.

Why should anyone care that Ryan Reynolds is going to bat in defense of Hugh Jackman? Is it because he’s a Democrat or because he’s a Republican? No. I don’t know which he is and I don’t care. What I care about is the guy is sane enough to know that merit is the sole basis by which people should be judged, especially for things like jobs. Reynolds is standing up for his friend and against the woke tide, and I for one love to see it. We haven’t seen Hollywoods leading men get together since Stalone, Shwartzenegger and Willis in the 80’s. Great to see these men acting like men, IMHO.
 
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And what's the subject here? Wokism? DEI? Disney dying? Star Wars/Marvel dying? Ryan Reynolds getting in trouble? Frankly, we don't know, you're all over the place. You claim not to invoke politics and accuse us of doing so, but that's what you do almost every time you post here. Take a step back and look at your posts....even in this thread. Before you deleted what you posted, you were ranting about DEI, LGBT issues, and general 'Wokeness'. All these issues are whether you like it or not politically charged in contemporary discourse and should be avoided in this community. Notice nobody else does what you do here. The rest of us have discussions about Star Citizen, other games, TV shows, and movies that we're looking forward to or find interesting and leave it at that. No unnecessary commentary about politics or socio-cultural issues whether Left, Right, or whatever.

Now what I simply don't understand is why you're so hung up on Mike Zeroh? What has this 30-something-year-old nobody done to justify your unwavering faith and your relentless promoting of his videos here? The guy is a clickbait merchant of the worst kind. He thrives on viewer outrage. When has he been right about ANYTHING? How many times has he claimed Kathleen Kennedy's firing from Lucasfilm over the years? George Lucas coming back like Gandalf to save our beloved and beleaguered Franchise? Star Wars sequel secret endings? Keanu Reeves as Revan in a life-action KOTOR?! Ryan Reynolds' firing from Deadpool 3 for (Insert nonsensical reason)? Might be hard though when Reynolds is Executive Producer, best friends with the Director, AND they finished principal photography 3 months ago. The bullshit is overwhelming, need I go on?

Holy shit...are you Mike Zeroh?!

All joking aside you say Zeroh gets all his info from the Trade publications? You mean he doesn't have the ear of senior film Producers and Story room members eager to spill the beans to someone who has probably never worked a day in the industry? No exclusive insiders with listening devices hiding in planter pots at Disney/Lucasfilm/etc offices? So what you're saying is that he gets his stories from the triumvirate of Variety, Deadline, and Hollywood Reporter? From these publications he is then somehow amazing at providing accurate Coles notes on the stories in YouTube form? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, I'm sorry dude but Zeroh isn't getting his 'scoops' from them. The three are respectable publications that are valued in the industry. Don't believe me though, head over to their websites and you'll see that in content and style, none of their stories resemble what Zeroh posts. The simple fact is that they don't publish rubbish tabloid junk in bold yellow with gummed up keyboards stuck in All Caps like whatever this is.........

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Yeah, I digress. :thump:

Where does Mike Zeroh get his exclusive scoops then? Perhaps the truth is simple, nowhere. He's a bullshit grifting merchant who makes things up to get his 367k YouTube subscribers outraged, engaged, and clinging to his every word. He uploads 3-4 videos a day each clocking in at slightly under 10min. If you take into account video editing and shitty photoshopping, it's almost a full-time job. I mean with 216 million views, Christ why the hell not? He's managed to game the YouTube algorithm to his advantage and if it puts food on his table and keeps the lights on, more power to him I guess? Maybe I'm a dummy but I think he's successfully managed to monetize this? Ask @Montoya how hard monetization of YouTube channels can be.

Personally, I have been a full IATSE member for 14 years. I've worked on some of the biggest films/shows around and frankly, I don't know shit and I'll be the first one to admit it. Even then, I'm more of an 'insider' than this hack will ever be.
 
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You realize, anyone reading this thread is seeing someone explore a single, philosophical issue that is prior to politics and affecting all of us, and then they see others who never engage in the discussion except to make personal attacks.

What do you think that says about each of us? Who is pathetic here?
 
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