Well... sort of...Politics.
I literally see no problem with this. Working in the hospital we had an active shooter in the building, turns out a husband went to his wives room where she was in a vegetative state due to a stroke and shot both her and himself. It may be illegal to kill yourself but at least he had the means to do so. I'm not saying I agree with his actions, but I do not believe anyone should have the right to disallow me or anyone else to exit this world on our own accord.letting a guy own a tool which gave him the ability to blow his head off outside the presidents house yesterday
So... I'm a little lost here... how do you think video game gun violence caused any of the above? Was the husband inspired by GTA? Did the 8 year old play a little too much Manhunt? Did the Alligator play too much Rockstar Presents: Table Tennis?I literally see no problem with this. Working in the hospital we had an active shooter in the building, turns out a husband went to his wives room where she was in a vegetative state due to a stroke and shot both her and himself. It may be illegal to kill yourself but at least he had the means to do so. I'm not saying I agree with his actions, but I do not believe anyone should have the right to disallow me or anyone else to exit this world on our own accord.
When I was in paramedic school I pulled up to a scene where an 8 year old had hung himself from a tree. You want to ban peoples access to electrical cord to solve the problem? How about finding out what made the kid want to kill himself in the first place and building a society around actually helping people. One day when I was in the ER we had a homeless guy come in completely shredded from an alligator. He was homeless and crazy and sleeping next to a lake. He needed help, he didn't need anyone to ban alligators. Society doesn't (always*) need the parent of government, we need the helping hand of government. This is coming from someone who literally had the government as their parents. I was a ward of the courts until I was 18 because my grandparents never adopted me.
The kid played too much grand theft auto obviously, and the homeless guy spent too much time on cabellas big game hunter. Glaringly obvious.And how do you think video game gun violence caused any of the above?
but on this occasion if you'd like to continue the Guns. Good or Bad? topic please post in that thread :slight_smile:
Aww no, stick around! :)I banned myself from that thread. I think I might ban myself from this one too. :P
Aww no, stick around! :slight_smile:
You don't have to keep yourself out of threads, your view points are just as valid as anyone elses. The discussion in that thread has moved on, no one is talking about banning guns, just what means and methods can be used to keep the wrong weapons out of the wrong hands. Too much agreeing to disagree has gone on. Now we can try and get some action, just a little compromise from both sides and I reckon it'll happen and there will be a marked improvement.
Thanks once again for your views and experience. I don't think what you are saying is pointless, it's valuable experience that everyone can use to make a better informed decision, and even in your own words in several places you are willing to make a compromise for the good of everyone like in regard to bump-stocks etc. If everyone can compromise, those on both sides, something may actually happen this time to make the country a safer place while retaining the Second Amendment rights.Yeah, but at the end of the day I'm not in a position to have my mind changed towards much reform. I'll lay out my position here right quick and be done with it, because it doesn't matter unless I vote, and I don't (such is my right, I am a servant, I will let the people ultimately decide while I sit in the background and bitch. I am thinking of supporting the NRA though.)
I support things like banning bump stocks and anything that increases the firing rate to automatic levels. I tread so lightly on the mental health reform because I myself have a mental health diagnosis and although I feel completely sane and rational, others may not see it that way. Generalized anxiety disorder is super common among a large part of the population, would I also be arguing against their rights as well? I don't know.
If I felt it was common sense to give up my freedoms for the security of the rest of the population, I would do so in a heartbeat. But again I hesitate to accept simple answers to a complex problem. I think Kids should be able to own their own weapon at the age of 10 with their parents consent and a a bunch of government oversight for both the parents and child. Restrict the weapon to bolt action or low capacity semi automatic. Obviously I would have to sit and think long and hard about the intricacies of it all, but that's a general idea.
I do not believe banning any guns would work, because I know I myself and many others would become criminals by simply not handing over our weapons. You really have to understand our country would break out into civil war, small groups of civilian militia would be organized and guerilla warfare would be the norm until something was done. I'm not joking or being farfetched. It happened recently (on a small scale compared to what I'm talking about) when we had that large occupation of federal land by a militia just a few years ago when the feds tried to take a farmers livelihood or something and people were like fuck you government. The federal government didn't do anything because they knew it would turn into bloodshed. When I talk passionately about people having an unalienable right that supercedes the law of government, people hold this right above their own life.
I'm all for strict background checks if we can actually take it seriously. Just because it's on the books doesn't mean it gets enforced as planned.
I do not believe in extra taxes or permits or restrictions.
If you have a criminal record of violence, and with a judges determination, I think you should have a period of your life where you are not allowed to purchase of be in posession of a firearm. I do not believe in restricting such persons indefinitely, so maybe after 10 years you can go through a process to have these rights re-instated. What that process would be, I haven't the slightest clue.
Ammunition should be as free and accessible as buying candy from Wal-Mart or Tesco. Department of homeland security should stop buying the ammunition to create a false scarcity, to me that's fucked up and an example of the government being fucking shady. They may have done this for legitimate reasons, but I'm skeptical.
I believe I should be able to take my gun to any state and be subject to the same laws everywhere.
If we want to protect schools, I think I have an idea but who am I to say it's correct. I do not have children in school. I would love to see more competent school officers with m-4's. After being in the military and having our security forces patrol through crowded public places made me feel safe once I got over the initial shock factor of seeing someone casually walk around with a burst capable high powered weapon.
I'm sure I could bring up more points, and I really do like expressing my views and discussing / arguing with others in a somewhat civilized way, but in the end It's kinda pointless for me as I just like hearing myself talk. So it's a venting session for me and that's just dumb when I could be focusing my time and energy elsewhere. It's ultimately all up to the people who vote to discuss this, and since I don't vote, my opinion literally doesn't matter. I'm not out to change minds, because I myself do not wish to have the will of others imposed on me.
Also as I might have said before, If I were to really get serious and express my views (which ill never do) I would need several pages to fully lay it all out. I was raised from the age of 7 on a private gun club. My uncle was the president. I have heard these discussions all my life and still don't have any clear and simple answers.
But yeah. This is my last post in this thread because I've once again spoke my mind. Reading it back it feels absurdly pointless to express my position when I'm not really open minded enough on the topic to justify spending time arguing it with anyone. It's not really fair or productive.
EXACTLY.The only thing we have to stop doing is doing nothing.
Yes there is.Well... sort of...
There is a fine line between letting people do things for political reasons, like paying less/more tax, and letting a guy own a tool which gave him the ability to blow his head off outside the presidents house yesterday.
Theres Politics and there is protecting the public - even from themselves.
What have computer games got to do with it? Potentially nothing. If it were found every killer in the US has a fetish for Origami or Nike shoes, would the libraries be stripped of Origami books and all the Nikes impounded for use by the military? Likely not.
Thats a question: If Video Games make killers, do the military use them for anything else other than simulation training? Is there a PlayStation in every barracks, an Xbox by every bunk?
I keep telling people to take a look at the Art of War and similar works about grasping and maintaining power just for this reason. Bush and Trump both feign ignorance but in all reality are highly intelligent businessmen and politicians. I call Trump a politician because as soon as he said he would run for Presidency and even before then in the planning stages, he knew what he was getting into. Every president is a megalomaniac at worst or have a simple thirst for power at the least. They all play from the same playbook when it comes to public relations and societal thought manipulation. Their actions, their outcomes, their perceptions, all plays from a playbook that's been fine tuned over millennia.
I know! Take for example, Reagan....for years we thought he was bumbling along on his way to senility, when in actuality...check this out:It is fascinating how much Trump gets done in the law side and the policy stuff while everyone is busy arguing about his latest Tweet. It's classic misdirection.
American jokes not available in my country.I know! Take for example, Reagan....for years we thought he was bumbling along on his way to senility, when in actuality...check this out:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5wfPlgKFh8
Guys, lets put the brakes on this before we start getting too political.
Bernie 2020.
End of thread.
Probably because it would lose something in the translation?American jokes not available in my country.
ZING(er?) ALL THE THINGS!AWWWWW I HAD A REAL ZINGER LINED UP!
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Hillary lost! Get over it! :grinning:American jokes not available in my country.
AWWWWW I HAD A REAL ZINGER LINED UP!
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My Geiger counter says 0.0, so obviously Hillary lost. :DHillary lost! Get over it! :grinning: