Coronavirus COVID-19 Thread
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Australia and New Zealand both have always been outliers on any virus propagation and a lot of that has to do with the generally low population density outside of a few urban built-up areas.
Australia 3.1 people per square kilometer, total population 25,467,000.
New Zealand 18 per square kilometer, total population 4,886,000
Sweden 24 people per square kilometer total population 10,230,000
USA 36 people per square kilometer total population 328,200,000
New Zealand didn't have its first local transmission reported until March 5th. A full month after it had denied entry to New Zealand from China on Feb 3rd.
Australia didn't have its first local transmission reported until March 2nd. Feb 1st banned entry to Australia from China. Australia started closing down its non-essential services on March 22nd.
Jan 14th WHO said preliminary investigations conducted by Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. Jan 20th was confirmed human to human transmissions was possible.
USA Feb 2 travel restrictions from China. End of March and early April stay at home quarantines implemented. It is theorized that the virus was in the USA as early as November where Michael Melham tested positive for antibodies and said he came down sick after a convention in Atlantic City in November. Prior to this, the first reported local transmission was Jan 30th .
Sweden first reported local transmission was March March 6th. March 13th Sweden implemented measures to delay the spread among the population and to protect the elderly. In mid April 1/3rd of the 1300 who had died were living in nursing homes.
This is all to show that it wasn't about the excellent tracking and reporting until New Zealand and Australia are testing a large percent of their population weekly they will not truly know who is and is not infected. They also benefited from generally lower populations and spread out population centers which hamper the transmission of the virus, coupled with a long time before first reported local transmission meant they had more time to prepare.
It will still be interesting to see if Australia will be able to stomp out the virus or if it will continue to slowly burn in the cities for the next year.
As fun as this has been, were beyond the point of there being much more to say so this is my last post on the thread.
TLDR. USA is fucked. Rest of the world baffled.
TLDR. USA is fucked. Rest of the world baffled.
HOW DARE YOU!
But in all seriousness, a lot of what other countries did can not work in the US because all we got here was a $1200, and not even all the people that needed that money got it.
So your work is closed, you need to pay bills. Your landlord needs to pay his mortgage, he needs your rent, you have other bills... what do you do?
The sense of urgency to re-open has been pushed out as the patriotic thing to do. Many will die, but the economy will be saved.
NASDAQ is already almost back to all time highs, we can celebrate!
Should actually read like this:
Montoya: Because I am an arrogant asshole - "I think the Swedish experiment can be concluded at this point."
Me: Yes, you are an arrogant asshole!
Radegast74
Space Marshal
Back to work, plebs! My 401k's and other retirement accounts need your asses out there, working!
Don't worry, we'll re-write the narrative so that there was nothing anybody could have done to save your asses, so you don't have to feel bad!
www.nytimes.com
Don't worry, we'll re-write the narrative so that there was nothing anybody could have done to save your asses, so you don't have to feel bad!
Lockdown Delays Led to at Least 36,000 More Deaths, Models Find (Published 2020)
All 50 states have begun to reopen to some degree, but rules vary. Scientists say they see progress on the path to developing a vaccine by next year.
AccidentProne8
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It was a very short time that "killing granny to save the economy" went from joke to policy position.HOW DARE YOU!
But in all seriousness, a lot of what other countries did can not work in the US because all we got here was a $1200, and not even all the people that needed that money got it.
So your work is closed, you need to pay bills. Your landlord needs to pay his mortgage, he needs your rent, you have other bills... what do you do?
The sense of urgency to re-open has been pushed out as the patriotic thing to do. Many will die, but the economy will be saved.
NASDAQ is already almost back to all time highs, we can celebrate!
Also I've lost quite a bit on put options so I am made of salt.
But it is yet to be seen whether people will actually go out and restart the economy or stay hunkered down for the most part. I'm thinking it will be the latter.
I'm not convinced we couldn't have the best of all worlds if everyone just agreed to wear masks like in Taiwan and Hong Kong, but that might not be possible anymore.
Also, jumping into this thread way late. Hi all.
Montoya: Due to having the highest mortality rate per capita, I will say the Swedish experiment is concluded, after 3 WHOLE months - that is MY professional opinion as STAR MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE.
Colddog: Yes, you are RIGHT, YOU ARROGANT ASSHOLE!
Yeah thats the tough part.
Your kids playing at the park will be fine, you will be fine, but grandma might die.
Do you take the risk?
Montoya: After 3 WHOLE months of sitting home and watching graphs I have concluded the Swedish Experiment has FAILED!!! Those idiots... I told them NOT to do it!
ColdDog: Yes, you arrogant ass, yes it is too early to tell.
:)
Hopefully I'm in her will cause she has a sweet ass house.
I'm not sure why we are trying to say they are failing due to their higher per day death rate when the argument can be made that at the end of 2020 they will have a similar total cov-19 deaths as any other country. It could be they just got there faster and were over it sooner than the rest of us.
I feel the Dutch are not being mentioned enough you chauvinist pigs!
the Dutch!
Thanks for the clarification, I have no further questions.
I've been reading around the subject of the deconstruction of the UK Empire, Americas apparent centuries long role in that and the current wane and collapse of the American Empire. It's been a fascinating read and I feel it has given me fresh perspective on your posts in this thread which may have not been 100% COVID-19 related.
Keep smiling, tomorrow is another day.
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