I understand that the bold subheading is what the author wishes we would take away from their article but as I am attempting to articulate is the idea thatRead the article. Top line, immediately below the title.
That is the perspective of the entire article. There were some doubts expressed, however they were more along the lines of there are problems with some fabrics and the way people wear masks. The article also covers the expectations of what protection a mask provides. The goal of wearing a mask is to reduce the viral load, both of exhaled, but also of inhaled viral particles. Not to prevent transmission, but to reduce it. Hopefully to a level which your immune system can handle, but if not it can still reduce the impact of the virus. Fewer virions infecting you is better.
The assumption that they don't know the vectors by which this virus is spread is incorrect. They do. It's eyes, nose and mouth. The virus has other minor vectors, open wounds for example, but primarily it's eyes, nose and mouth. If you pull your mask off "because it's not comfortable", than you need to look into a different mask. We should also be protecting our eyes far more than we normally do. It turns out you can make an effective face covering that protects your eyes using an empty 2 liter soda bottle. Glasses can help too.
And yes, hand washing is important too. Frequently. 20 seconds or so per hour is not going to kill anyone but not doing so might. And the vector is not scratching your face. It's rubbing your eyes, or picking your nose, or sticking your finger in your mouth. Two of those are hard to do while wearing a mask. The third, well at least if you're wearing a mask you don't have 3. If you wear glasses, that might be at least partially covered.
I don't know where the disconnect is here, that study supports what I said. It recommends washing hands 6 times/hour, I said at least once. It says the vector of admission into the body is the eyes, nose and mouth. Also what I said. It is a study of the effectiveness of the N95 mask, compared with nothing. It does not address any other protection method which is likely to be less effective than N95, but better than nothing depending on the material it's made of. It is possible to get better than N95 protection. The study model was a flu virus, which is largely irrelevant in terms of the study. Both types of virus are roughly the same size, with the flu virus having a slightly narrower range inside the diameter range of SARS-CoV-2.I understand that the bold subheading is what the author wishes we would take away from their article but as I am attempting to articulate is the idea that
A. We don't know the most common method of virus transmission. We don't even know the mechanics of influenza transmission and its been studied for years. The common accepted theory is that Influenza and Corona virus are most effective in being introduced to our mucus membrane be it eyes, nose or mouth but its still unknown if this is the only way. Here is an article published on a simulation of Influenza A transmission in a student office. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121424/ But even this study is based on lots of assumptions and hypothesize and simply studies possible contact points and simulated virus spread with in a closed environment.
B. If we don't know the most common way Corona virus is spread, or how long it can last on surfaces then how can we say how effective wearing or not wearing a mask is. In fact it cannot be ruled out that wearing a mask can increase the chance that droplets containing the droplet are spread to common touch objects when an individual touches their mask to adjust, remove or place on their face. I am not ruling out that masks on their own when studied in a closed environment are effective at reducing virus spread when its only means of transmission is by passing through the mask. The studies on mask with in this context are pretty definitive as to their effectiveness, and if virus transmission was only possible by particles coming from the nose and mouth being airborne and then inhaled by others, then studying of masks and their effectiveness would be all we needed to know.
But we don't know if this vector is the primary way of spreading an infection, or if there is more common and better ways of spreading an infection with this vector simply being a small chance to start with. So if the goal of a mask is to reduce the initial virus load and masks only reduce an uncommon vector of virus transmission then all the effort on masks and mask studies is not were our focus should be. We should be focused on finding the highest risk vectors and then finding ways to mitigate them.
I am not anti mask, I am all for people making informed decisions that best fits their own needs, but I also understand that masks are cheap and could possibly reduce the risk of spreading cov-sars-2. What I am strongly against is those who take a few select studies extrapolate the data to make ill formed support of their own personal views say its scientifically proven and beyond question or debate and then force others to adhere to it.@Bambooza I thought you might like this.
By then, some San Franciscans had no intention of giving up their freedom again. One resident wrote Rolph that masks served no purpose but that Hassler alone could wear one if he wished. “And as far as I am concerned, I hope he will have to wear one for the next five years,” he said.
The rich began to see it as a fashionable item to cover their faces. My comment - because ugly rich women were now desirable - yes, I said it.
Again, it is control from a political perspective, but mask made sense outside of politics.
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Yes, this is the world we live in... sick and tired of one perspective I suppose. You add in the suicides, depression, economic disfunction, I'd suppose the fear is worse than the cure.
California has succeeded in flattening the curve of infections, but will it learn a lesson from a similar pandemic a century ago?www.theguardian.com
I am all for people making informed decisions
I know you are for the right thing... being people need to act responsibly. There are those who think people are too "stupid" to know right from wrong, were taught that is school, and those bad peopl people who do not understand usually wind up prison. That said, there is a line between rationality and fanaticism... I'd say the opposition has degraded itself to a fanatic mandate. There is more to life other than science (granted it is very important) but we have economics, social anxiety, and social unrest at play. So, we as a people need to thread the needle and find common ground, based on common sense.So to reiterate. I am saying wear a mask as its cheap insurance at the possibility of reducing ones chances of contracting SARS-CoV-2, but we should not accept it as fact and should demand further studies performed as to the legitimacy of this claim.
A fascinating case study.Just saw this...the biggest problem is the totally asymptomatic spreaders, not much you can do to guard against them, short of a total lockdown:
One client in one spin studio that followed all the rules triggers a coronavirus outbreak with at least 61 casesA spin studio that public health officials say followed all Covid-19 protocols is now reporting 61 positive cases of Covid-19 and up to 100 staff, clients and family members may have been exposed.www.cnn.com
this is currently the rule and law in the UKI think mass testing of an area and locking down only those who test positive and perhaps those who have been in contact with them recently seems to be a strategy with legs - Some cities in the world seem to have got a lid on the outbreaks there doing this, one city at present has 12 cases and they are testing all 9 million people. It has been done at least once before and successfully contained it and life has been able to get back to normal.
COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today, Wednesday 14th of October:
- World: 38,304,172 confirmed cases and 1,088,463 confirmed deaths.
- World: Total confirmed cases passes 38 million, we passed 37 million on Saturday meaning 1 million new cases in the last 4/5 days.
- Italy: Sees record high new daily cases at 7,332, higher than the peak in Wave 1.
- Portugal: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Switzerland: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Iran: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Russia: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Romania: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Switzerland: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Croatia: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Bosnia: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Slovenia: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Malta: Sees record high new daily cases.
- US: Trials on experimental drug the president was given and called a miracle cure, are paused amid "safety concerns". Currently no further details.
- UK: Around 25 used COVID tests delivered to people in city Birmingham to use in error.
- Spain: Number of children in the country being treated for toxic ingestion of Hand Sanitizer surges, the number of total reported cases standing at 10 times that of 2019.
- Russia: To keep schools open, university students to be drafted into classrooms in Moscow to cover for the older and vulnerable teachers who are at risk of COVID-19.
- Japan: Supercomputer identifies humidity as a contributing factor of the spread of particles, drier indoor conditions appear to be more favorable "Air humidity of lower than 30% resulted in more than double the amount of aerosolised particles compared to levels of 60% or higher, the simulations showed."
- France: Introduces state of emergency in regard to health and COVID-19.
Yeah no.New CDC Study Finds Majority of Those Infected with COVID-19 ‘Always’ Wore Masks
Once again it appears there are conflicting facts, data and plenty of opinions about the efficacy of wearing masks to prevent contracting the Coronavirus.californiaglobe.com
The evidence in favor of masks is far more extensive than this poorly written article (I spotted some spelling and grammatical errors) from a website that I've never heard of.
Want evidence that masks work? Go to Asia. The wearing of masks in the early stages of the pandemic (along with responsible, prompt lockdowns) nipped Covid19 over there in the bud. My relatives there wear them, no arguments or grumbling. It's not just masks mind you. You have to combine that with reasonable social distancing, regular hand washing, etc.
Not about to start a colossal argument cause I'm tired AF. All I can say is that I've been working 13 hour days for almost 2 months now. We all wear masks and practice social distancing and what the hey....no outbreaks on any of the productions in my town yet. (Touch wood). Anecdotal of course but I'm sure my experience is just as relevant as this 'Independent' website.