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Radegast74
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So this is what happened in Italy to make the COVID-19 outbreak so deadly last Feb/Mar/April ... hospitals getting filled to capacity, and not being able to provide ICU-level treatment to people who needed it, as new cases developed...it looks like we may be approaching that point, in some states:
www.cnn.com
Utah hospitals could start rationing health care at overwhelmed facilities, hospital association says | CNN
Utah hospitals could be days away from using a patient's age, health and other factors to decide who can remain in overcrowded intensive care units due to an onslaught of Covid-19 cases.
www.cnn.com
currently in phase 2/3
PeppaPigKilla
Admiral
Our government (England) is absolutely shocking and embarrassing, tier 4 then tier 5 and the sky is the limit right? morons
COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today, Tuesday 27th of October:
- World: 43,787,411 confirmed cases and 1,163,592 confirmed deaths.
- Europe: World Health Organization indicates there has been a sharp rise in deaths in the Europe area having jumped 40% compared to last week.
- France: Warns hospitals will become as saturated as at worst point in the first wave by November 11th unless urgent measures are taken.
- Sweden: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Italy: Sees highest daily number of fatalities since May.
- Germany: Warnings are made that country could seek 20,000 new cases a day by the end of this week.
- UK: Central Government continues to defend stance on not directly supporting hundreds of thousands of hungry impoverished children in England, still hanging on to the £63 million handed out to Councils to support those in hardship. Councils respond that the money was handed out in June, and some of them were told by Central to have the budget spent by October or lose it - meaning some don't have any of that money left to feed the starving children.
- Isle Of Man: Man jailed for four weeks for breaking 14 day quarantine order having recently returned from traveling overseas, by socializing in public twice.
- UK: Researchers from Imperial College London find the level of COVID antibodies reduce over time in the recently recovered, and suggest this may lend evidence to people being able to become infected multiple times.
- World: 43,787,411 confirmed cases and 1,163,592 confirmed deaths.
- Europe: World Health Organization indicates there has been a sharp rise in deaths in the Europe area having jumped 40% compared to last week.
- France: Warns hospitals will become as saturated as at worst point in the first wave by November 11th unless urgent measures are taken.
- Sweden: Sees record high new daily cases.
- Italy: Sees highest daily number of fatalities since May.
- Germany: Warnings are made that country could seek 20,000 new cases a day by the end of this week.
- UK: Central Government continues to defend stance on not directly supporting hundreds of thousands of hungry impoverished children in England, still hanging on to the £63 million handed out to Councils to support those in hardship. Councils respond that the money was handed out in June, and some of them were told by Central to have the budget spent by October or lose it - meaning some don't have any of that money left to feed the starving children.
- Isle Of Man: Man jailed for four weeks for breaking 14 day quarantine order having recently returned from traveling overseas, by socializing in public twice.
- UK: Researchers from Imperial College London find the level of COVID antibodies reduce over time in the recently recovered, and suggest this may lend evidence to people being able to become infected multiple times.
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I've had to go to the local ER a couple times over the past few months (my family is old) and every time I've been, it's been absolutely dead. This is an ER that has been either 1st or 2nd in ER visits in the country, I'll link it below. 75% of Florida's population lives within a 100 mile radius of that ER, it's where I did all of my paramedic and EMT hospital clinicals, so I'm familiar with how absolutely packed it usually is. I would also like to note, Florida was trailing 2nd behind California in overall cases. Talking to the nurses there, they say a lot of them had to start working part time because they just don't need as many staff. I asked about COVID patients, the nurse just said "not many but weve had a few". ER nurses don't stick around long so I didn't ask him 20 questions.
My sister recently tested positive, and within a few days got retested, and tested negative. Everyone else she's been around, mainly her boyfriend and his kids have been tested, and tested negative. False positive probably, but it's still odd. I might get tested to see what they say, but if I do have it, my 84 year old aunt is the only person I come in contact with, and she's fine, I'm fine. I have probably left the house less than 20 times since this all started. I did go to Las Vegas at the beginning of Sep with my sister, but we got back on the 8th of Sep and both haven't felt anything that would make us think we got sick. We wore masks everywhere we went, I brought nitril gloves and CaviWipes to sanitize my plane seat and our room. 5 weeks of incubation would be odd. She didn't tell me anything about the test, or if it tests for anti-bodies or anything. If I get tested I'll tell you about the process and what they check for.
Edit: My sister got tested with her boyfriend because he works next to a testing place.
My sister recently tested positive, and within a few days got retested, and tested negative. Everyone else she's been around, mainly her boyfriend and his kids have been tested, and tested negative. False positive probably, but it's still odd. I might get tested to see what they say, but if I do have it, my 84 year old aunt is the only person I come in contact with, and she's fine, I'm fine. I have probably left the house less than 20 times since this all started. I did go to Las Vegas at the beginning of Sep with my sister, but we got back on the 8th of Sep and both haven't felt anything that would make us think we got sick. We wore masks everywhere we went, I brought nitril gloves and CaviWipes to sanitize my plane seat and our room. 5 weeks of incubation would be odd. She didn't tell me anything about the test, or if it tests for anti-bodies or anything. If I get tested I'll tell you about the process and what they check for.
Edit: My sister got tested with her boyfriend because he works next to a testing place.
14 hospitals with the most ER visits | 2019: Here are the 13 hospitals in America with the most annual emergency room visits for 2018. Totals represent the amount of emergency room visits tallied for a single facility, rather than total ER visits for a whole health system.
Here are the 13 hospitals in America with the most annual emergency room visits for 2018. Totals represent the amount of emergency room visits tallied for a single facility, rather than total ER visits for a whole health system.www.beckershospitalreview.com
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I get tested twice a week now at my workplace. They give me a kid's sticker when I'm done every time.
Stickers make everything better.
COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today Wednesday 28th of October:
- World: 44,282,961 confirmed cases and 1,170,933 confirmed deaths.
- World: Passes 44 million cases, we passed 43 million on Monday meaning a million more cases in the last 2/3 days.
- Germany: Plans for November lockdown.
- France: Has just announced second national lockdown from Friday.
- Canada: As death toll passed 10,000, prime minister Justin Trudeau says "This is going to be a tough winter"
- Europe: Figures show 9 million new cases in the last 14 days.
- UK: Nottingham enters in to tier 3 lockdown described as "3+" with stricter measures than other tier 3 areas including locking down the entire county of Nottinghamshire.
- UK: Man leaves hospital following 209 days of COVID treatment "Thank you is not enough. It's simple. They saved my life so a huge thank you."
The following is a post taken directly from the Guardian Live Update stream I have been reading on new broken records:
"•23 deaths in Croatia, a record, and 2,378 cases, against a previous record of 2,421.
•1,586 cases and 36 deaths in Bosnia and Herzegovina, both records.
•2,569 cases in Bulgaria, a record, and 25 deaths.
•125 cases in Estonia, a record. (Estonia’s rate is among the lowest in Europe.)
•5,343 cases and 107 deaths in Romania, both records.
•18,820 infections in Poland, a record, and 236 deaths.
•15,663 infections in Czech Republic, a record.
•14,964 infections in Germany, a record, and 85 deaths.
•8,616 infections in Switzerland, a record.
•2,605 infections in Slovenia, a record.
•346 deaths in Russia, a record, and 16,202 infections.
•165 deaths in Ukraine, a record, and 7,474 infections.
•415 deaths in Iran, a record, and 6,824 infections."
- World: 44,282,961 confirmed cases and 1,170,933 confirmed deaths.
- World: Passes 44 million cases, we passed 43 million on Monday meaning a million more cases in the last 2/3 days.
- Germany: Plans for November lockdown.
- France: Has just announced second national lockdown from Friday.
- Canada: As death toll passed 10,000, prime minister Justin Trudeau says "This is going to be a tough winter"
- Europe: Figures show 9 million new cases in the last 14 days.
- UK: Nottingham enters in to tier 3 lockdown described as "3+" with stricter measures than other tier 3 areas including locking down the entire county of Nottinghamshire.
- UK: Man leaves hospital following 209 days of COVID treatment "Thank you is not enough. It's simple. They saved my life so a huge thank you."
The following is a post taken directly from the Guardian Live Update stream I have been reading on new broken records:
"•23 deaths in Croatia, a record, and 2,378 cases, against a previous record of 2,421.
•1,586 cases and 36 deaths in Bosnia and Herzegovina, both records.
•2,569 cases in Bulgaria, a record, and 25 deaths.
•125 cases in Estonia, a record. (Estonia’s rate is among the lowest in Europe.)
•5,343 cases and 107 deaths in Romania, both records.
•18,820 infections in Poland, a record, and 236 deaths.
•15,663 infections in Czech Republic, a record.
•14,964 infections in Germany, a record, and 85 deaths.
•8,616 infections in Switzerland, a record.
•2,605 infections in Slovenia, a record.
•346 deaths in Russia, a record, and 16,202 infections.
•165 deaths in Ukraine, a record, and 7,474 infections.
•415 deaths in Iran, a record, and 6,824 infections."
Melbourne Australia... gets a gold star. 111 day lockdown... I suppose the city will be a beacon of hope. With 40% of Australia's economy wound up here... I am sure this will be a case study of two countries - Australia and Sweden. Two different theories (because no one really knows what the right answer is) will come to show... who was right and I think Melbourne lost this in a GDP perspective, not to mention the psychological costs.
About 40 per cent of Australians live in the two capitals, and Melbourne and Sydney account for more than 45 per cent of national GDP. Between 2008-09 and 2018-19, Melbourne's economy grew by 3 per cent per annum while Sydney's grew by 2.7 per cent. The national growth rate was 2.5 per cent.
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“This crisis is like no other,” Australia’s Treasurer Josh Frydenburg said at a news conference. “Today’s devastating numbers confirm what every Australian knows, that COVID-19 has wreaked havoc on our economy and our lives like nothing we have ever experienced before,” he added.
The 7-percent plunge in GDP was the largest quarterly fall since records began in 1959, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) said in a statement.
www.aljazeera.com
Wonder how many people will die from violence, suicide (up 30%), and crime... time will tell.
About 40 per cent of Australians live in the two capitals, and Melbourne and Sydney account for more than 45 per cent of national GDP. Between 2008-09 and 2018-19, Melbourne's economy grew by 3 per cent per annum while Sydney's grew by 2.7 per cent. The national growth rate was 2.5 per cent.
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“This crisis is like no other,” Australia’s Treasurer Josh Frydenburg said at a news conference. “Today’s devastating numbers confirm what every Australian knows, that COVID-19 has wreaked havoc on our economy and our lives like nothing we have ever experienced before,” he added.
The 7-percent plunge in GDP was the largest quarterly fall since records began in 1959, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) said in a statement.
Australia’s economy goes down under with record, virus-led slump
A record plunge in consumption as the country went into lockdown led to its first recession in nearly 30 years.
Wonder how many people will die from violence, suicide (up 30%), and crime... time will tell.
I’m not sure what your sources are but no, there’s not violence in the streets.
That said, this shit is hard to crush.
We can always make more money. We can’t replace people.
That said, this shit is hard to crush.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
We can always make more money. We can’t replace people.
I think you are making the wrong assumption... the assumption you can control it... another outbreak is sure to happen, then what? Poverty and misery has a cost too.
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COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today Thursday 29th of October:
- World: 44,780,568 confirmed cases and confirmed 1,177,538 deaths.
- Spain: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Another Thursday, another... well, a small jiggle about but almost all countries still on travel quarantine list. Cyprus and Lithuania loose travel corridor status, travelers have until 4am on Sunday to return or face a self isolation order.
- Italy: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Imperial Collage London study reveals R transmission number in the South of the UK is now over 2 - for every one person infected infects two more.
- Sweden: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Hornby, maker of model Railways, sees sales increase by 33% - a reverse of years of decline as people take up hobbies in Lockdown.
- Spain/World: Research reveals a straine of COVID which developed in June in Spain went on to span most of Europe and many other countries, apparently highlighting international travels role in the pandemic.
- UK: Bobby Ball, half of comedy double act Cannon and Ball who entertained generation of Britons, passes away following COVID-19 diagnosis. "Rock on, my good friend, I can't believe this, I'm devastated." - Tommy Cannon.
- World: 44,780,568 confirmed cases and confirmed 1,177,538 deaths.
- Spain: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Another Thursday, another... well, a small jiggle about but almost all countries still on travel quarantine list. Cyprus and Lithuania loose travel corridor status, travelers have until 4am on Sunday to return or face a self isolation order.
- Italy: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Imperial Collage London study reveals R transmission number in the South of the UK is now over 2 - for every one person infected infects two more.
- Sweden: Record rise in new daily cases.
- UK: Hornby, maker of model Railways, sees sales increase by 33% - a reverse of years of decline as people take up hobbies in Lockdown.
- Spain/World: Research reveals a straine of COVID which developed in June in Spain went on to span most of Europe and many other countries, apparently highlighting international travels role in the pandemic.
- UK: Bobby Ball, half of comedy double act Cannon and Ball who entertained generation of Britons, passes away following COVID-19 diagnosis. "Rock on, my good friend, I can't believe this, I'm devastated." - Tommy Cannon.
Interesting. So how did previous pandemics end? Why didn't the Black Death just keep coming and coming and coming until there were no more people left to wipe out?
Virus ran its course... there was no control of the black death... you should know by now it is a virus... they do not go away.
Ole J. Benedictow describes how he calculated that the Black Death killed 50 million people in the 14th century, or 60 per cent of Europe's entire population. The disastrous mortal disease known as the Black Death spread across Europe in the years 1346-53.
London never really caught a break after the Black Death. The plague resurfaced roughly every 10 years from 1348 to 1665—40 outbreaks in just over 300 years. And with each new plague epidemic, 20 percent of the men, women and children living in the British capital were killed.
How 5 of History's Worst Pandemics Finally Ended | HISTORY
While some of the earliest pandemics faded by wiping out parts of the population, medical and public health initiatives were able to halt the spread of other diseases.
www.history.com
Cool stuff, and I think you have answered your own earlier question:
The virus will run its course.
You can either go in hard, kick it in the nuts and go back to normal as they have in New Zealand, or you can take it on the chin, roll with the punches until it puffs itself out or you go down for the count.
As long as we don't give up hope. That's the main thing.
New Zealand is going to have to be ultra vigilant on who they let in until a very effective vacine can be rolled out yearly. All they have to do is let in one sick person and then its a do over.
Indeed, but they still have the option, A or B. Most of the rest of us have to settle with B.
Huh... the discussion was Melbourne came out of a 111 day lockdown... with the Aussie GDP plummeting. Point is, we do not not know if the benefits out weigh the damage to the economy and mental health. Poverty can be worse than this disease by far.
US GDP grew 33% while the EU GDP fell. With all things being equal, why did this happen? Could it be the brilliant lockdown strategy of the EU.