A bit of a read, but I think it perfectly explains the different sides:
https://www.killology.com/sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs
https://www.killology.com/sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs
A recent quote from a friend was "Take one more step and I will blow your fuckin' brains out" while he pulled out his gun on an armed assailant (the assailant was yielding a machete).As an impartial observer of this thread I have noticed it is hard to argue such strong and decisive quotes, so for balance and balance alone, here are some other gun related quotes: Last Words.
"There is no place I so much desire to see as Jerusalem." President Lincoln moments before being shot by John Booth.
"Useless, useless." John Booths last words after being shot while resisting arrest for the murder of Lincoln.
"That is very obvious." JFK's last words before being assassinated.
"I don't have a gun, stop shooting." Teenager Michael Brown, before he was shot dead by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.
"And now, in keeping with Channel 40's policy of always bringing you the latest in blood and guts, in living color, you're about to see another first--an attempted suicide." Christine Chubbock moments before shooting into her own skull just behind the ear live on air.
"Let us pass over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson who had been accidentally shot by his own men.
"There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad." From Kurt Cobains suicide note written before he blew his brains out.
"Officers, why do you have your guns out?" Kenneth Chamberlain, who had accidentally triggered his Life Alert necklace and refused assistance.
"Dear God, Dear God, why is this happening? I just want to go home" Cassie Bernall, victim of the Columbine High School massacre.
There are a lot more, and they outnumber the words of any famous or founding father a thousand times over - however I hope they will not be required - Just for balance.
As stated, the quotes were for balance. So far in the thread quotes used have been quite effective but only on the one side. I provided these to redress the balance.A recent quote from a friend was "Take one more step and I will blow your fuckin' brains out" while he pulled out his gun on an armed assailant (the assailant was yielding a machete).
Similar quotes are used a dozens of thousand of times per year by self defending gun owners against assailants, not only in the US but worldwide.
Well... did he fire or what?he pulled out his gun on an armed assailant
No, after seeing the gun, the other guy backed off and run away.As stated, the quotes were for balance. So far in the thread quotes used have been quite effective but only on the one side. I provided these to redress the balance.
But...
Well... did he fire or what?
And one other question, to play a bit of Devils Advocate as my impartiality may appear to have been a little on the 'nope' side with those quotes:So to move the discussion forward, what of arms controls to remove automatic weapons from circulation?
And also, how fast can semi-automatic weapons fire? If it is as quickly as a finger can pull a trigger over and over, what is the practical difference between a semi-automatic pistol and a machine pistol?
This would require major constitutional reform and people to realise their inability to do anything against a corrupt system of power. It is quite interesting to me how one school mass shooting with 16 victims was reason enough for a country wide ban on handguns, while terrorist acts with cars and bombs didn't bring any legislative change besides more control and monitoring measures. It would be much easier to monitor the people getting licensed for a handgun than all this mess.And one other question, to play a bit of Devils Advocate:
Specifically to the members of the discussion that have stated gun ownership is in the best interests of the populace, how would you recommend introducing gun ownership to a country that does currently allow gun ownership, such as the UK?
IMHO and this is going to be my last reply on the subject, nothing needs to be done about guns and their availability, besides maybe making them more easily available.Well, good people, apart from my above shitpost the discussion has come quite far.
So far we have come to the clear conclusion that outright removal of guns from American culture is something that is just not going to happen and something that most people have no real issue in allowing Americans to continue as a national custom. So to move the discussion forward, what of arms controls to remove automatic weapons from circulation?
And also, how fast can semi-automatic weapons fire? If it is as quickly as a finger can pull a trigger over and over, what is the practical difference between a semi-automatic pistol and a machine pistol?
Jeah, I agree, giving up the fight is not an option, but we don't need to be wolves either.
Writing a letter to your local politican may change your world more than carying a gun with you.
A single Voice dosen't mean much, but that's just because there are millions of voices to be heared.
Just because somone refuses to use his body to fight, he isn't becoming a sheep.
He becomes a sheep when he stops trying to improve the world around him.
At least that's how I like to understand that phrase.
And one other question, to play a bit of Devils Advocate as my impartiality may appear to have been a little on the 'nope' side:
Specifically to the members of the discussion that have stated gun ownership is in the best interests of the populace, how would you recommend introducing gun ownership to a country that does not currently allow gun ownership, such as the UK?
Ah, you refer to the Dunblane School Massicre in the UK.t is quite interesting to me how one school mass shooting with 16 victims was reason enough for a country wide ban on handguns
A gun store on every corner!And one other question, to play a bit of Devils Advocate as my impartiality may appear to have been a little on the 'nope' side with those quotes:
Specifically to the members of the discussion that have stated gun ownership is in the best interests of the populace, how would you recommend introducing gun ownership to a country that does not currently allow gun ownership, such as the UK?
Well, good people, apart from my above shitpost the discussion has come quite far.
So far we have come to the clear conclusion that outright removal of guns from American culture is something that is just not going to happen and something that most people have no real issue in allowing Americans to continue as a national custom.
Bearing in mind the question was "Guns Good Or Bad" and didn't mention any recent events or countries or constraints on the subject, it really does seem cultural as to ones general outlook on the subject.
So to move the discussion forward, what of arms controls to remove automatic weapons from circulation?
And also, how fast can semi-automatic weapons fire? If it is as quickly as a finger can pull a trigger over and over, what is the practical difference between a semi-automatic pistol and a machine pistol?
I agree with you. The issue is how do you guarantee the complete removal of guns, or how do you protect the population against the corrupting nature of power?I compare it to traffic , when i look how many dummies driving a car and then ill go imagine these people owning guns ............Society is better of without guns .
Did you read past the part you quoted?Ah, you refer to the Dunblane School Massicre in the UK.
The average live expectancy in the UK is 81 years. 14 of the victims were 5 years old, one 6 year old, and one 45 year old.
Assuming the children and teacher would each have lived to the age of 81, that is 1175 years of life snubbed out in one go.
It appears that over a millennium of life snubbed out in one go was enough for a country to ban hand guns.
I will withdraw back into my impartial mode, the thread was doing much better without my input!
I'm just waiting for that one insult just as a way to lock this thread :PYou're awesome guys, we're having a controversal discusion here and noone is insulting others for their opinion.
I whole heartily agree, I especially would like to thank Pander and Ezz for sharing their point of view.I just want to leave a note here:
You're awesome guys, we're having a controversal discusion here and noone is insulting others for their opinion.
This is rare, esp with "random" guys on the internet. Great job.
Now back to topic:
@Deroth thanks for the killogy link, was a nice read, to get an other view on the topic.