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Just watched the last episode, it was not bad!

Nice lightsaber action, the Sith was pretty good and some nice little surprises during combat.
Best villain in recent star wars too.
And the body count... I've not seen anything like it since the Death Star moseyed on past Alderaan.
 
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Best villain in recent star wars too.
And the body count... I've not seen anything like it since the Death Star moseyed on past Alderaan.
It was a bit slow to start but it’s getting better. I think audiences and reviewers ought to finish the entire season of the show before passing judgment. I mean there are some who completely write off the show based on third hand reviews from random YouTubers. Same folks who write lengthy diatribes against something while admitting they haven’t watched it yet.

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Best villain in recent star wars too.
I’ll agree he’s a decent villain, but did you really think he compares with Grand Admiral Thrawn? I thought Thrawn was great in both Ahsoka and Rebels. In the latter he was down right creepy, he’s so smart. Also I thought Ray Stevenson’s Baylan Skoll was pretty full of awesome.
 
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I’ll agree he’s a decent villain, but did you really think he compares with Grand Admiral Thrawn? I thought Thrawn was great in both Ahsoka and Rebels. In the latter he was down right creepy, he’s so smart. Also I thought Ray Stevenson’s Baylan Skoll was pretty full of awesome.
I like thrawn as a villain, but never loved him.
He always felt devoid of personality and kind of one note.
I love the idea of 'supergenius villain', but they're actually hard to pull off without using the trope of 'no matter what the heroes did, it was actually always part of his plan anyway,' rather than watching things you can think 'wow, that's actually really clever'.

The closest thing he had to personality was a love of art.
Otherwise he's devoid of emotion, weakness, or anything interesting to latch on to, to make him a truly memorable villain.

The actor who played him in Ahsoka did pretty well to bring him as much life as possible.

Skoll is something else entirely. Ray's impression of him was fantastic. I was cheering for him as much as the heroes, because there was a part of him that wasn't entirely villainous. He just felt like a decent sort on the wrong side, for reasons we didn't yet understand.

But he wasn't really... well, villainous. Loved him, but he wasn't the bad guy like Qimir was shown to be in the last episode. Skoll didn't really do anything wrong in the entire series. It's episode 5 of Acolyte, and Qimir has slaughtered his way through half the cast, all while making you question whether he's the bad guy, or was it the Jedi for bringing children to war...
 
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So recently revealed is that part of the reason Bob Iger cancelled Acolyte season 2, is that he and several execs were angry that Headlund lobbied strongly for $10M to shoot a single scene, and after shooting it, removed it from use.

View: https://youtu.be/tgaZx8O474E?si=yvBG3WjQQ0HKaKZe
Disney has neither confirmed nor denied whether there will be a season 2, so cancellation rumours are just that: Rumours.
In addition, a recent interview with the Headland just a week ago, there are suggestions of what might come in a season 2.
 

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So recently revealed is that part of the reason Bob Iger cancelled Acolyte season 2, is that he and several execs were angry that Headlund lobbied strongly for $10M to shoot a single scene, and after shooting it, removed it from use.

View: https://youtu.be/tgaZx8O474E?si=yvBG3WjQQ0HKaKZe
As someone who actually works in production I’ll have to raise a red flag on this. No single scene costs $10m. Costs of episodic TV these days can be upwards of $10m per episode, not $10m per scene. The most expensive TV show I’ve ever worked on cost $7-8 million per episode and it had all the bells and whistles.

Iger is angry because the Acolyte show runner lobbied hard for $10mil to shoot a scene, shot it, then scrapped it? Yeah I don’t think so. Nobody is that irresponsible and a Line Producer or Production Manager would stop that from even happening.

Sounds like more Mike Zero hogwash. The man posts nonsense non stop and you just lap it up. He’s not an ‘industry insider’ and I’ll bet good money he’s never worked in the industry.
 

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Disney has neither confirmed nor denied whether there will be a season 2, so cancellation rumours are just that: Rumours.
In addition, a recent interview with the Headland just a week ago, there are suggestions of what might come in a season 2.
While it’s true Disney has not announced Acolyte’s official cancelation, that doesn’t mean much. They would never make an announcement that would deter people from watching what they are offering. That’s a silly supposition and a straw man argument.

What we know is:

a) Acolyte was delayed release for well over a year because Disney feared the backlash of making a product that directly contradicts Lucas’ cosmology. They knew portraying the Jedi unfavorably would lead all the long term fans to object.

b) We know Acolyte is the least audience approved Star Wars project in the nearly half century of the franchise, including the infamous Holiday Special.

c) We know it is bringing in far fewer viewers than Ahsoka did, and viewers is the metric that matters most when looking for a second season.

d) We know industry insiders claimed it had been cancelled back in March.

e) We know that Lesley Headlund has been removed from all contact with current Star Wars projects and that Tony Gilroy (Andor) has replaced her.

 
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Good is evil, and evil is good. The only people who like this show at this point, are people perverse enough, or stupid enough to believe in moral relativism, and this is whom it was written for.


Are you just mad that you got a tingle in your no-no square when it showed him coming out of the water? It's 2024 mayte. Everyone is a LITTLE sith from time to time...
 

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Skoll is something else entirely. Ray's impression of him was fantastic. I was cheering for him as much as the heroes, because there was a part of him that wasn't entirely villainous.
Yes. In fact Stevenson said on multiple occasions he did not see Skoll as a villain. He had to be reminded that yeah, he is.
 

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One of the most telling things about this interview with Headlund is when she says “the Jedi are not the Jedi they are in the prequels. . .They’re in a different space.”

Apart from this wretched speaking in vagaries in order to hide what she thinks and say nothing, she has already said it. She is deliberately portraying the Jedi as screwed up. So really the thing to ask yourself is, is this okay? Is it respectful of the source material to shit on the Jedi? If so, why? Why does this generation so need to tear down statues of Lincoln, abolish the police, side with HAMAS, champion communism, put penises in female prisons, etc.? What exactly is the purpose of deconstruction?

time index about 3:30 in the above.
 
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