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Indeed I was simply stating that studies are coming back that masks are shown to increase the amount people touch their face. So you are right washing with soap and water or if not available hand sanitizer is a great way to mitigate self-transfer as one's hands while a very poor receiver of infections is a great means of transferring to a more vulnerable body part.

Still, if you want to truly reduce your own risk of infection I'd ditch the cloth/surgical masks and go for a full-face respirator. As it's all about protecting one's mucus membranes from the virus. In all seriousness, I honestly am surprised I have not seen people going to this extreme yet.

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BTW, I wasn't meaning to come off as critical if it did, it was meant as an addition.

There were times that I have had to wear a P100 mask, both partial and full face like the one you showed. The older models are hellishly uncomfortable. Nowadays they're a lot more wearable, but hard to find. They also sell what amounts to spacesuit parts. Problem is, even a space suit leaks a little so you basically have to breathe unfiltered air at some point.
 

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Indeed I was simply stating that studies are coming back that masks are shown to increase the amount people touch their face. So you are right washing with soap and water or if not available hand sanitizer is a great way to mitigate self-transfer as one's hands while a very poor receiver of infections is a great means of transferring to a more vulnerable body part.

Still, if you want to truly reduce your own risk of infection I'd ditch the cloth/surgical masks and go for a full-face respirator. As it's all about protecting one's mucus membranes from the virus. In all seriousness, I honestly am surprised I have not seen people going to this extreme yet. [big mask]
A full face respirator is a great idea for the most vulnerable who have been needing to "shield", which is quarantining themselves in their homes indefinitely to avoid getting symptoms.

I have seen many of my older friends with frail health getting hold of those plastic translucent face guards which stop the larger droplets from coughs and sneezes coming in contact with their faces, however now it has been accepted that particles as small as five microns can contain the pathogen and hang in the air for hours indoors, a full face respirator might just be the ticket.

Because of that we'd still be looking at medical grade N95's which filter out particles from 0.3 microns upwards, but are not permitted for the population t obtain in my coutry to defend the medical supply chain. People shielding could be allowed an exemption though what do you think?

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Looking at the picture you supplied, and having worn nose and mouth respirators in the past in a job in the food industry being in a fine dust environment for 8 hours a day, I notice there is no filtration on the exhaust ports? Considering masks and face coverings are most effective for reducing transmission from infected to non-infected by containing exhalation particles, that kind of design is only good for defending the wearer, not reducing the 5 micron particles that could leave the infection hanging in the air indoors for hours.

Perhaps a cloth cover for the exhaust to help with that?
 
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Observation on the UK COVID cases and deaths:

The official UK stats page, as well as pulling the amount of tests going out daily, has also stopped reporting on the number of deaths:

"On 17 July, the Secretary of State asked Public Health England (PHE) to urgently review their estimation of daily death statistics. Currently the daily deaths measure counts all people who have tested positive for coronavirus and since died, with no cut-off between time of testing and date of death. There have been claims that the lack of cut-off may distort the current daily deaths number. We’re therefore pausing the publication of the daily figure while this is resolved."

While I understand the reasoning, I question the action of cutting off all reporting. When the Government buggered up the tax on my pay, I didn't stop paying tax until they got it right, I had to keep overpaying until they got it right with a rebate correction later. Closing ones eyes while attempting to improves ones understanding does nothing to aid understanding.

I also question how this is going to change the deaths over average number, which indicates deaths in all settings including ones which were not in a position to receive a COVID test early on in the crisis:

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Note: WIth social restriction and Lockdown deaths from things such as traffic accidents, sporting accidents etc sharply declined, it is not out of the question that whatever that reduction was, to put a number on it lets say 3000, could have been filled in by anonymous COVID deaths, so when there is such a huge uplift bwtween March and April, there is horrific potential for that to be even higher.
 
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COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today Sunday 19th July:

- World: Another record single day rise in cases topping over 260,000 in 24 hours as deaths pass 600,000.

- Bangladesh: Number of people being tested drops my a half following a fake screening scandal.

- EU: COVID funding summit in deadlock as some country leaders take a hard line, while others ask what vendetta/s are against them.

- US: President Trump attempts to block billions in funding for testing and contact tracing, infuriating members of his own political party.

- UK: Prime Minister announces he is determined there will be no national lockdown in the event of another national outbreak and said that would be the "nuclear option" which the country will not need to employ as it is unlikely to find itself in that position again.

- Cuba: No cases for first time in 130 days.

- Florida: 12,478 new cases in 24 hours, with fatality rates 78% over the last 2 weeks compared to the two weeks prior to that.

- Los Angeles: City on the brink of another Stay At Home order according to Mayor, saying "This virus ... preys on us in those moments when we don't have a unified national front or we as individuals think: 'Ah, this isn't going to be a big deal".

- UK: The reduced carbon emissions caused by lockdown have bounced back by half in the few weeks since restrictions were relaxed.
 

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Looking at the picture you supplied, and having worn nose and mouth respirators in the past in a job in the food industry being in a fine dust environment for 8 hours a day, I notice there is no filtration on the exhaust ports? Considering masks and face coverings are most effective for reducing transmission from infected to non-infected by containing exhalation particles, that kind of design is only good for defending the wearer, not reducing the 5 micron particles that could leave the infection hanging in the air indoors for hours.

Perhaps a cloth cover for the exhaust to help with that?
You are right it does nothing for stopping the wearer from spreading the virus. The exhaust port is purely for the comfort of the wearer and having worn the N95 mask for work, it made wearing them for 10 hours far more bearable.

It does bring up the moral dilemma of if everyone is correctly wearing a mask then having a venting mask is a non-issue. Or if you do not care about those who choose not to wear a mask.
 

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just popping in here occasionally to post stories like these:

Richard Rose III, an Army veteran who spent nine years in the United States Army according to his obituary, died on July 4. He was 37.

Rose’s death gained notoriety on social media after expressing that he was “not buying a (expletive) mask” less than three months before his death.

“I’ve made it this far by not buying into that damn hype,” he said in a post published April 28.
Rose used the social media platform to post about going to one local bar, S&M Bar, three times in June. He also went out of town, to Put-in-Bay, in June.

Rose tested positive on July 1, confirming his illness in a Facebook post in which he explained he would be in quarantine for 14 days.

Earlier that day, he posted that he had gotten a test. “I just want to feel good again!” he said.

A day later, he updated his Facebook friends with one of his symptoms: difficulty breathing.

Nick Conley, a friend of Rose's, said in a Facebook post his friend was believed to be healthy.

"Rick was like a lot of my friends, and didn’t feel the need to wear a mask because he was young and healthy,” Conley wrote in the post, shared three days after Rose's death.
 

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COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today Monday 20th of July:

- UK: Oxford university Vaccine proven to trigger immune response, but to still early to prove it provides immunity and prevents infection.

- US: New York enters last phase of reopening.

- UK: Drop in COVID cases plateaus, not climbing, not dropping.

- US: President to resume COVID briefings intending to share positive news, following a lengthy hiatus since March.

- Florida: Reports suggest around 23% of the total cases have been discovered in the last week. As the virus has a gestation and illness of about a month, it suggests it has become quickly widespread to find so many live cases in such a short time.

- Africa: two new make-shift residential areas near Cape Town named "Covid-19" and "Sanitizer".

- Bahamas: Announces intention to close to US visitors amid rising cases.

- EU: Cautious optimism at the COVID funding summit that an agreement can be reached.

- Australia: Investigation launched into breaches in Victoria's hotel quarantine system with suspected infection being potentially transmitted from the hotels made for returning travelers to quarantine in to the local population via security guards which then started to spread in the local community.

- Scotland: Contact Tracing Center closed as outbreak sees 6 staff with infection.

- UK: Reports reveal french supplier contracted to provide Personal Protective Equipment shipments to UK at peak of pandemic rerouted them to other countries and private companies who put more cash on the table to prioritize the resources to them instead of the National Health Service they held the pre-agreed contract at a set price with. As well as shining a light on the practice of contracting vital services to other countries (who then released decrees that their needs would be met first no matter what contracts their counties companies had with other nations), it also calls in to question the "Just in time" supermarket stockist nature of the UK supply chain which could not cope when the pandemic was on the rise. "All of the comfort blankets we thought we had basically went up in flames" one official has commented.

- Sweden: Country moves to change track-and-trace from official response to personal duty, asking the infected to contact anyone they have been in close contact with stating as cases have gone up the official attempts have become less and less effective. Total country cases stand at 78,048 and 5,619 deaths whereas neighbor Denmark has had 13k cases and just over 600 deaths and Norway 8,950 cases and 251 deaths.
 
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This is encouraging news... not yet good news. Just encouraging. I'm unable to describe it non technically, except to say there is a peer reviewed study published in Nature that explains a vector that *may* provide a pathway to put SARS-COV-2 to bed. It is still way to early for this to be good news.

Page 2 of this document 👇 has a technical description of what was discovered.

Here is a video from a UK doctor who is often painful to watch, but explains it in somewhat plain English.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_wSU1JnTE&t=5s
 

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This is encouraging news... not yet good news. Just encouraging. I'm unable to describe it non technically, except to say there is a peer reviewed study published in Nature that explains a vector that *may* provide a pathway to put SARS-COV-2 to bed. It is still way to early for this to be good news.

Page 2 of this document 👇 has a technical description of what was discovered.

Here is a video from a UK doctor who is often painful to watch, but explains it in somewhat plain English.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_wSU1JnTE&t=5s
That YT scientist has had great summaries, for months, pretty much from the beginning.

Here is a great analysis and summary of why we are where we are now:
 

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COVID Catharsis Corner - Reports from around the world from today Tuesday 21st of July:

- EU: Summit to agree recovery fund is a success with European Union countries coming to a €750 billion agreement.

- US: Department of Justice accuses China funding attempts to hack Biomedical firms involved in creating COVID vaccines and treatments.

- UK: Front-line public service workers to receive pay rise in similar style to recent french announcement. UK pundits point out with 10 years of pay freezes and below inflation rises, this unfortunately does not put them back into a similar position as they were in in 2010, however it's a nice start.

- World: For the first time in its 60 year history Nobel Prize event will not be held, the winners will be announced however due to ongoing virus crisis members and winners will not convene in person to celebrate.

- US: Comprehensive report suggests the the United States is not compiling pandemic data in a manner in which would help Authorities better tackle the crisis.

- Linkedin: Announcement of intention to lay off 960 staff, apparently 6% of their global workforce.

- Austria: Country brings face masks rules back in as cases rise, after relaxing requirements for them along with other restrictions.

- Northern Ireland: No new deaths for 8 days in a row.

- Brazil: President Bolsonaro hails hydroxychloroquine as having made him feel better. As real world studies have debunked its restorative effects, suggestions abound that perhaps the president has benefited from a Placebo effect?

- UK: Weekly deaths during the week of July 10th 10% below 5 year average at 600 fewer than expected. Statastitians suggest this may partly be due to elderly victims of the virus passing away before their time, however it should also be noted with more people now working from home and other activities still restricted, a more cautious public may be putting themselves at less risk, too.

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